FantasyIreland said:Tim of the Oak said:IMHO, we need to see what is the outcome of the FFP sanctions / appeal before we deciding if Ferran is a hero or zero. Hopefully the outcome will be OK.
Excellent point...... because,if we do fail,it will be the ideal opportunity to label him a clown.
haha I knew id forgotten one of them :(nmc said:sir peace frog said:however,navas,negrado, and to a lesser degree jovetic have been essential in what weve achieved this seasoncibaman said:Slightly ironic that, of all of their signings, only MDM started the final game.
And Fernandhino.
FantasyIreland said:Tim of the Oak said:IMHO, we need to see what is the outcome of the FFP sanctions / appeal before we deciding if Ferran is a hero or zero. Hopefully the outcome will be OK.
Excellent point...... because,if we do fail,it will be the ideal opportunity to label him a clown.
BillyShears said:It's going to be very interesting seeing how City deal with this in the upcoming transfer windows. As things currently stand we have the following homegrown players in our first team squad.
Wright, Milner, Hart, Clichy, Rodwell, and Richards.
Then from the youth teams there.
Lopes, Rekik, Boyata, and potentially Huws.
However ... if we were to lose Richards and Rodwell it leaves us in a precarious position. Rodwell and Richards are both players who let the squad down this season due to injuries/performances and they need to be replaced with players who can have more of an impact, therefore the idea of moving one of our EDS youngsters up to take their squad positions is IMO unworkable.
That means that if we replace them both with 'foreign' players we will need to name 4 young players in our first team squad. That means a squad of no more than 21 senior players. The way I see it 20 of those 21 players would be (including the English players)
Hart, Wright, Pants, Zaba, MDM, Kompany, Kolarov, Clichy, Milner, Nasri, Silva, Garcia, Fernandinho, Yaya, Jovetic, Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo, Navas, Nastasic
That leaves room for only one player to come in in place of Rodwell, Lescott, and Richards which isn't going to work. Particularly if the deals for Sagna, Fernando, and Mangala are done. Hypothetically if you add those three to the squad then our homegrown quota problem becomes much more pronounced because adding those three gives us a first team squad of 23 players (without club trained players).
This is all before the prospect of a reduced squad size due to FFP sanctions which would make the numbers above even more problematic for that competition.
Personally I'm baffled as to why i these circumstances we're pursuing Fernando quite so hard. I'm not saying he's not a good player, but we need homegrown players who are good enough to play in the first team otherwise we'll fall foul of the PL and CL squad rules.
Replace Pants with a HG keeper and it leaves us room for 3, Nastasic won't count until the season after. Fernando, Mangala +1?BillyShears said:Just posted this in the transfer forum but it's relevant to any discussions about Txiki this summer. Unless my numbers are off we have a serious "homegrown" problem we need to contend with in the squad planning.
BillyShears said:It's going to be very interesting seeing how City deal with this in the upcoming transfer windows. As things currently stand we have the following homegrown players in our first team squad.
Wright, Milner, Hart, Clichy, Rodwell, and Richards.
Then from the youth teams there.
Lopes, Rekik, Boyata, and potentially Huws.
However ... if we were to lose Richards and Rodwell it leaves us in a precarious position. Rodwell and Richards are both players who let the squad down this season due to injuries/performances and they need to be replaced with players who can have more of an impact, therefore the idea of moving one of our EDS youngsters up to take their squad positions is IMO unworkable.
That means that if we replace them both with 'foreign' players we will need to name 4 young players in our first team squad. That means a squad of no more than 21 senior players. The way I see it 20 of those 21 players would be (including the English players)
Hart, Wright, Pants, Zaba, MDM, Kompany, Kolarov, Clichy, Milner, Nasri, Silva, Garcia, Fernandinho, Yaya, Jovetic, Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo, Navas, Nastasic
That leaves room for only one player to come in in place of Rodwell, Lescott, and Richards which isn't going to work. Particularly if the deals for Sagna, Fernando, and Mangala are done. Hypothetically if you add those three to the squad then our homegrown quota problem becomes much more pronounced because adding those three gives us a first team squad of 23 players (without club trained players).
This is all before the prospect of a reduced squad size due to FFP sanctions which would make the numbers above even more problematic for that competition.
Personally I'm baffled as to why i these circumstances we're pursuing Fernando quite so hard. I'm not saying he's not a good player, but we need homegrown players who are good enough to play in the first team otherwise we'll fall foul of the PL and CL squad rules.
aguero93:20 said:Replace Pants with a HG keeper and it leaves us room for 3, Nastasic won't count until the season after. Fernando, Mangala +1?BillyShears said:Just posted this in the transfer forum but it's relevant to any discussions about Txiki this summer. Unless my numbers are off we have a serious "homegrown" problem we need to contend with in the squad planning.
BillyShears said:It's going to be very interesting seeing how City deal with this in the upcoming transfer windows. As things currently stand we have the following homegrown players in our first team squad.
Wright, Milner, Hart, Clichy, Rodwell, and Richards.
Then from the youth teams there.
Lopes, Rekik, Boyata, and potentially Huws.
However ... if we were to lose Richards and Rodwell it leaves us in a precarious position. Rodwell and Richards are both players who let the squad down this season due to injuries/performances and they need to be replaced with players who can have more of an impact, therefore the idea of moving one of our EDS youngsters up to take their squad positions is IMO unworkable.
That means that if we replace them both with 'foreign' players we will need to name 4 young players in our first team squad. That means a squad of no more than 21 senior players. The way I see it 20 of those 21 players would be (including the English players)
Hart, Wright, Pants, Zaba, MDM, Kompany, Kolarov, Clichy, Milner, Nasri, Silva, Garcia, Fernandinho, Yaya, Jovetic, Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo, Navas, Nastasic
That leaves room for only one player to come in in place of Rodwell, Lescott, and Richards which isn't going to work. Particularly if the deals for Sagna, Fernando, and Mangala are done. Hypothetically if you add those three to the squad then our homegrown quota problem becomes much more pronounced because adding those three gives us a first team squad of 23 players (without club trained players).
This is all before the prospect of a reduced squad size due to FFP sanctions which would make the numbers above even more problematic for that competition.
Personally I'm baffled as to why i these circumstances we're pursuing Fernando quite so hard. I'm not saying he's not a good player, but we need homegrown players who are good enough to play in the first team otherwise we'll fall foul of the PL and CL squad rules.
BillyShears said:Just posted this in the transfer forum but it's relevant to any discussions about Txiki this summer. Unless my numbers are off we have a serious "homegrown" problem we need to contend with in the squad planning.
BillyShears said:It's going to be very interesting seeing how City deal with this in the upcoming transfer windows. As things currently stand we have the following homegrown players in our first team squad.
Wright, Milner, Hart, Clichy, Rodwell, and Richards.
Then from the youth teams there.
Lopes, Rekik, Boyata, and potentially Huws.
However ... if we were to lose Richards and Rodwell it leaves us in a precarious position. Rodwell and Richards are both players who let the squad down this season due to injuries/performances and they need to be replaced with players who can have more of an impact, therefore the idea of moving one of our EDS youngsters up to take their squad positions is IMO unworkable.
That means that if we replace them both with 'foreign' players we will need to name 4 young players in our first team squad. That means a squad of no more than 21 senior players. The way I see it 20 of those 21 players would be (including the English players)
Hart, Wright, Pants, Zaba, MDM, Kompany, Kolarov, Clichy, Milner, Nasri, Silva, Garcia, Fernandinho, Yaya, Jovetic, Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo, Navas, Nastasic
That leaves room for only one player to come in in place of Rodwell, Lescott, and Richards which isn't going to work. Particularly if the deals for Sagna, Fernando, and Mangala are done. Hypothetically if you add those three to the squad then our homegrown quota problem becomes much more pronounced because adding those three gives us a first team squad of 23 players (without club trained players).
This is all before the prospect of a reduced squad size due to FFP sanctions which would make the numbers above even more problematic for that competition.
Personally I'm baffled as to why i these circumstances we're pursuing Fernando quite so hard. I'm not saying he's not a good player, but we need homegrown players who are good enough to play in the first team otherwise we'll fall foul of the PL and CL squad rules.
aguero93:20 said:Replace Pants with a HG keeper and it leaves us room for 3, Nastasic won't count until the season after. Fernando, Mangala +1?
BillyShears said:aguero93:20 said:Replace Pants with a HG keeper and it leaves us room for 3, Nastasic won't count until the season after. Fernando, Mangala +1?
So if we replace Pants with a hg keeper then our squad is:
Hart*, Wright*, New GK**, Zaba, MDM, Kompany, Clichy*, Kolarov, Milner*, Nasri, Silva, Toure, Fernandinho, Garcia, Navas, Jovetic, Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo.
Nastasic not registered because he's 21 at the start of next season and therefore doesn't need to be registered?
Plus Lopes, Rekik, Huws.
Total of 22.
Yes then we have 3 spots for Fernando, Sagna, and Mangala. However it means that we are on the limit with Nastasic not being registered. Next summer he'll have to be registered which will leave us one place short.
Personally I think this is poor squad planning if that's the route we intend to go down. It leaves you with no wriggle room should we suddenly need a player in January due to injuries. Just my opinion but we need to purchase a homegrown player this summer for one of the open spots (right back, centre midfield, centre half).
agree with pants, and as others have said rodwell will stay. should keep lescott for a year.aguero93:20 said:Replace Pants with a HG keeper and it leaves us room for 3, Nastasic won't count until the season after. Fernando, Mangala +1?BillyShears said:Just posted this in the transfer forum but it's relevant to any discussions about Txiki this summer. Unless my numbers are off we have a serious "homegrown" problem we need to contend with in the squad planning.
BillyShears said:It's going to be very interesting seeing how City deal with this in the upcoming transfer windows. As things currently stand we have the following homegrown players in our first team squad.
Wright, Milner, Hart, Clichy, Rodwell, and Richards.
Then from the youth teams there.
Lopes, Rekik, Boyata, and potentially Huws.
However ... if we were to lose Richards and Rodwell it leaves us in a precarious position. Rodwell and Richards are both players who let the squad down this season due to injuries/performances and they need to be replaced with players who can have more of an impact, therefore the idea of moving one of our EDS youngsters up to take their squad positions is IMO unworkable.
That means that if we replace them both with 'foreign' players we will need to name 4 young players in our first team squad. That means a squad of no more than 21 senior players. The way I see it 20 of those 21 players would be (including the English players)
Hart, Wright, Pants, Zaba, MDM, Kompany, Kolarov, Clichy, Milner, Nasri, Silva, Garcia, Fernandinho, Yaya, Jovetic, Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo, Navas, Nastasic
That leaves room for only one player to come in in place of Rodwell, Lescott, and Richards which isn't going to work. Particularly if the deals for Sagna, Fernando, and Mangala are done. Hypothetically if you add those three to the squad then our homegrown quota problem becomes much more pronounced because adding those three gives us a first team squad of 23 players (without club trained players).
This is all before the prospect of a reduced squad size due to FFP sanctions which would make the numbers above even more problematic for that competition.
Personally I'm baffled as to why i these circumstances we're pursuing Fernando quite so hard. I'm not saying he's not a good player, but we need homegrown players who are good enough to play in the first team otherwise we'll fall foul of the PL and CL squad rules.