Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[gelly]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

The whole point of having a director of football is to create long-term stability. So you can change coaches and retain a level of continuity and minimise disruption.

That kind of setup wont find success in the Premier League. Managers need at least a season or two to come to grips with the league and management stability is needed to get to grips with away games. The bottom teams wont lay down and take it like in la liga. Barcelona and Real Madrid can change managers every season and still win the league or get second place. The same wont happpen in PL.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Agree that the 2 Barca's Boys have to go if Pellegrini fails. Hopefully these away defeats are teething problems but we can't afford many more slip ups, particularly against very beatable teams.

Pellegrini shares a problem with Mancini in that if the Barca boys Khaldoon operate an open door policy to meet disgruntled players / primadonnas, they undermine the manager and the dressing room spirit.

it was mancini that undermined the spirit of the dressing room. when players like aguero and kompany are pissed off by the manager you have to wonder about manager

 

[TGR]

Agree that the 2 Barca's Boys have to go if Pellegrini fails. Hopefully these away defeats are teething problems but we can't afford many more slip ups, particularly against very beatable teams.

Pellegrini shares a problem with Mancini in that if the Barca boys Khaldoon operate an open door policy to meet disgruntled players / primadonnas, they undermine the manager and the dressing room spirit.

it was mancini that undermined the spirit of the dressing room. when players like aguero and kompany are pissed off by the manager you have to wonder about manager

Mancini did not do himself any favours at times on that I think we all agree. However he was undermined from start to finish and top to bottom by the Spanish duo without a shred of doubt.

They played politics for their own gain and to achieve their own objectives instead of putting the best interests of the club first.

We should have strengthened the squad after we won the title but they chose not to. Why not?

They created the 'open door policy' to turn the players against Mancini and were successful.

They gave Mancini a 5 year contract extension when they had no intention of keeping him whatsoever. They didn't have the balls to sack him so they actively worked against him on all fronts to make his position untenable.

And eventually when they did sack him they hung him out to dry with the press and made a serious and concerted attempt to blacken his name and tarnish his reputation.

I wouldn't trust them with a barge pole!

However; you reap what you sow in this world...

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

Agree that the 2 Barca's Boys have to go if Pellegrini fails. Hopefully these away defeats are teething problems but we can't afford many more slip ups, particularly against very beatable teams.

Pellegrini shares a problem with Mancini in that if the Barca boys Khaldoon operate an open door policy to meet disgruntled players / primadonnas, they undermine the manager and the dressing room spirit.

it was mancini that undermined the spirit of the dressing room. when players like aguero and kompany are pissed off by the manager you have to wonder about manager

Mancini did not do himself any favours at times on that I think we all agree. However he was undermined from start to finish and top to bottom by the Spanish duo without a shred of doubt.

They played politics for their own gain and to achieve their own objectives instead of putting the best interests of the club first.

We should have strengthened the squad after we won the title but they chose not to. Why not?

They created the 'open door policy' to turn the players against Mancini and were successful.

They gave Mancini a 5 year contract extension when they had no intention of keeping him whatsoever. They didn't have the balls to sack him so they actively worked against him on all fronts to make his position untenable.

And eventually when they did sack him they hung him out to dry with the press and made a serious and concerted attempt to blacken his name and tarnish his reputation.

I wouldn't trust them with a barge pole!

However; you reap what you sow in this world...

File under "Fiction".

 

[pee dubya]

The whole point of having a director of football is to create long-term stability. So you can change coaches and retain a level of continuity and minimise disruption.

That kind of setup wont find success in the Premier League. Managers need at least a season or two to come to grips with the league and management stability is needed to get to grips with away games. The bottom teams wont lay down and take it like in la liga. Barcelona and Real Madrid can change managers every season and still win the league or get second place. The same wont happpen in PL.

"All clubs should have a philosophy, and you choose your players and managers from that" from Michael Laudrup.

This is Txiki's job, to implement the required philosophy whilst gaining success on the pitch. If the club has a general philosophy and the players to fit it, you minimise the disruption caused by regularly hiring and firing control freak managers who want everything their way.

It doesn't mean the head coach should be fired any more often or quickly than a manager, just that the transition when it does happen should be smoother. That's why the idea of Txiki's job being linked to Pellegrini's is a fallacy. The roles they carry out do overlap, but ultimately they'll be judged on different things over different time frames.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

it was mancini that undermined the spirit of the dressing room. when players like aguero and kompany are pissed off by the manager you have to wonder about manager

Mancini did not do himself any favours at times on that I think we all agree. However he was undermined from start to finish and top to bottom by the Spanish duo without a shred of doubt.

They played politics for their own gain and to achieve their own objectives instead of putting the best interests of the club first.

We should have strengthened the squad after we won the title but they chose not to. Why not?

They created the 'open door policy' to turn the players against Mancini and were successful.

They gave Mancini a 5 year contract extension when they had no intention of keeping him whatsoever. They didn't have the balls to sack him so they actively worked against him on all fronts to make his position untenable.

And eventually when they did sack him they hung him out to dry with the press and made a serious and concerted attempt to blacken his name and tarnish his reputation.

I wouldn't trust them with a barge pole!

However; you reap what you sow in this world...

File under "Fan Fiction".

Fixed.

 

[moomba]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

I think we need to look at their job role and assess them on that rather than whether or not we're losing or winning games in the first months of the season.

Soriano, you're looking at things like NYCFC, commercial income, ground development, partnerships etc. Wins and losses not so relevant in deciding whether or not he's done a good job or not.

Txiki, as well as wins and losses I guess youre looking at recruitment, academy etc.

I've got a few concerns about a few of the strategies at the club but you don't hire two highly thought individuals on big money and then get rid before they've had the chance to put their plans into place.

Most of us have probably seen it, but for those that havent I'd recommend that Barca doco on youtube for a bit of insight into the pair.

 

[gelly]

That's the way I see it. With these two hovering at the background even Mourinho would fail.

 

[George Hannah]

it was mancini that undermined the spirit of the dressing room. when players like aguero and kompany are pissed off by the manager you have to wonder about manager

Mancini did not do himself any favours at times on that I think we all agree. However he was undermined from start to finish and top to bottom by the Spanish duo without a shred of doubt.
They played politics for their own gain and to achieve their own objectives instead of putting the best interests of the club first.
We should have strengthened the squad after we won the title but they chose not to. Why not?"
They created the 'open door policy' to turn the players against Mancini and were successful.
They gave Mancini a 5 year contract extension when they had no intention of keeping him whatsoever. They didn't have the balls to sack him so they actively worked against him on all fronts to make his position untenable.
And eventually when they did sack him they hung him out to dry with the press and made a serious and concerted attempt to blacken his name and tarnish his reputation.
I wouldn't trust them with a barge pole!
However; you reap what you sow in this world...

File under "Fiction".

now now PB, you know that it's all true apart from the bit about "no intention of keeping Mancini". If Roberto had accepted the reduced "Pelle" role he would have stayed and we probably would be reigning league champions and FA cup holders. Sadly he'd tasted power and wouldn't co-operate.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

Mancini did not do himself any favours at times on that I think we all agree. However he was undermined from start to finish and top to bottom by the Spanish duo without a shred of doubt.
They played politics for their own gain and to achieve their own objectives instead of putting the best interests of the club first.
We should have strengthened the squad after we won the title but they chose not to. Why not?"
They created the 'open door policy' to turn the players against Mancini and were successful.
They gave Mancini a 5 year contract extension when they had no intention of keeping him whatsoever. They didn't have the balls to sack him so they actively worked against him on all fronts to make his position untenable.
And eventually when they did sack him they hung him out to dry with the press and made a serious and concerted attempt to blacken his name and tarnish his reputation.
I wouldn't trust them with a barge pole!
However; you reap what you sow in this world...

File under "Fiction".

now now PB, you know that it's all true apart from the bit about "no intention of keeping Mancini". If Roberto had accepted the reduced "Pelle" role he would have stayed and we probably would be reigning league champions and FA cup holders. Sadly he'd tasted power and wouldn't co-operate.

I've foresworn Mancini-bashing on here but I do know what's true and what isn't. TGR has put a spin on events that suits his viewpoint, without any actual knowledge of the situation. But even he admits RM didn't help himself.