Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[George Hannah]

Just wondering why Guardiola didn't join them if they are both so good at what they do .

When approached by Soriano in November 2012 he had already agreed to join Munich. Apparently he did not want to be associated with the sacking of the incumbent, who had just been re-installed on a 5 year contract.

 

[PragueBlue]

When all's said and done ... this thread, like the Pellegrini one, is populated by disgruntled Mancini fanboys looking to take their ire out on two of the most respected executives in world football.

And Mancini outers giving the opposite viewpoint. In effect just the same as when Mancini was in charge but positions switched around.

Anyone with half a brain can see how immature and ignorant it is to take against one manager, because you loved the previous one so much, or in fact, to take against two guys who's job you have no idea about, because you've decided they were in fact responsible for the object of your irrational affection being sacked.

But yeah other that that, and the fact that most people who wanted Mancini out could actually string a coherent thought together and had a point, the situations are the same.

Just as it is to blindly believe one is doing a good job because he's different from the one you wanted out.

Personally I don't care about Mancini now he's gone, nor so I care who fired him.

I do, however, care about how the present incumbent is doing and any rational person would have reservations about him at this stage. As to the 2 Spaniards, they'll last as long as the owners perceive them to be doing a good job.

 

[gelly]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

Just wondering why Guardiola didn't join them if they are both so good at what they do .

When approached by Soriano in November 2012 he had already agreed to join Munich. Apparently he did not want to be associated with the sacking of the incumbent, who had just been re-installed on a 5 year contract.

Guardiola is too classy to take that kind of job.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Bang on. Bobby wanted De Rossi or Martinez but ended up hoping Garcia was a bargain buy, he's gash.

Not to mention RVP. Cheers Marwood, you utter tube.

You may as well add Messi,Iniesta and Ronaldo to that list if you're gonna play fantasy football.

It does make you wonder how 99.9% of managers cope.......

If you believe the media City had agreed a deal to match RVP's wage demands, he was keen to come but Marwood refused to buy him as we had 4 strikers on high wages already at the club(in Marwood's defence it was the right thing.) Marwood however cocked up by not signing Hazard. Were still ruing that decision to this day.

 

[Anonymous]

Just as it is to blindly believe one is doing a good job because he's different from the one you wanted out.

Without wanting to put to fine a point on it, I've seen more than enough of Pellegrini's teams down the years to have little concern with what's going on right now.

However, to be clear Mancini needing to be sacked doesn't preclude Pellegrini from being not good enough. It just so happens that I think he's more than good enough. And if it turns out he isn't, I won't be calling for the head of Txiki, Ferran, Khaldoun, or Sheikh Mansoor, just as when I didn't think Mancini was good enough I wasn't calling for anyone's head but his.

Pretty funny you suggesting after 11 games it's rational to have "reservations" when we've already progressed in Europe further than we ever did under the previous manager and the title race is wide open. I can only assume those reservations aren't based on the previous incumbents abilities as he was clearly found wanting on many fronts last season.

 

[blueparrot]

Just wondering why Guardiola didn't join them if they are both so good at what they do .

When approached by Soriano in November 2012 he had already agreed to join Munich. Apparently he did not want to be associated with the sacking of the incumbent, who had just been re-installed on a 5 year contract.

Guardiola is too classy to take that kind of job.

Didn't he take the job of somebody who had won everything but was removed despite wanting to stay longer ?

 

[Anonymous]

When approached by Soriano in November 2012 he had already agreed to join Munich. Apparently he did not want to be associated with the sacking of the incumbent, who had just been re-installed on a 5 year contract.

Guardiola had agreed to take over at Bayern in the summer of 2012 ... this has been said by both him and the powers that be at Bayern. It was formalised in December 2012 because of Sky Italia leaking the story.

Going off the book Graham Hunter wrote about Barcelona, it's clear that Txiki is a diligent guy who will look at and consider many candidates even if he has a preferred choice for the job. This tallies in with Klopp confirming that he was approached by us in the summer.

I suspect Pellegrini was the preferred choice of Txiki, and that everyone else on their shortlist was either unavailable or not as qualified as Manuel.

 

[PragueBlue]

Pretty funny you suggesting after 11 games it's rational to have "reservations" when we've already progressed in Europe further than we ever did under the previous manager and the title race is wide open. I can only assume those reservations aren't based on the previous incumbents abilities as he was clearly found wanting on many fronts last season.

No, my reservations are based on results, league position and the present incumbents track record over his career in Europe. As for Europe, the only quality side we have played so far saw us well beaten and was a bit of a tactical disaster.

As I said, I think any rational person would have reservations. Hopefully those doubts will prove to be unfounded and he'll go on to be very successful with us.

 

[Anonymous]

No, my reservations are based on results, league position and the present incumbents track record over his career in Europe. As for Europe, the only quality side we have played so far saw us well beaten and was a bit of a tactical disaster.

The away form as it currently stands in the league is a concern. However it's does an appalling disservice to the manager and the team for you to suggest that we've only played one quality side in Europe so far.

Why not do a bit of research ... simply to assuage your own fears. Have a look at CSKA's record in Europe over the last two seasons. How many games they've lost home and away. Who they lost to, who they beat. Do the same for Plzen. Compare them to ... I don't know, lets say Ajax and Napoli over the last two seasons. Once you've done that you might find progress is indeed an apt description of what's going on under Pellegrini.

 

[EalingBlue2]

No, my reservations are based on results, league position and the present incumbents track record over his career in Europe. As for Europe, the only quality side we have played so far saw us well beaten and was a bit of a tactical disaster.

The away form as it currently stands in the league is a concern. However it's does an appalling disservice to the manager and the team for you to suggest that we've only played one quality side in Europe so far.

Why not do a bit of research ... simply to assuage your own fears. Have a look at CSKA's record in Europe over the last two seasons. How many games they've lost home and away. Who they lost to, who they beat. Do the same for Plzen. Compare them to ... I don't know, lets say Ajax and Napoli over the last two seasons. Once you've done that you might find progress is indeed an apt description of what's going on under Pellegrini.

You are talking a lot of sense but why let reality , facts and the big picture get in the way of hysterical daily mail style nonsense