BillyShears said:GaudinoMotors said:Don't forget that after we won the league and whilst still in Europe you were calling for Mancini to be replaced - for many there were way more positives than negatives then. At least those expressing concerns now - have 4 points out of 18 to discuss. Yes yes progressing in Europe - but Frank Clark would have got through that group.
Maybe it's just my own sense of right and wrong, but I think there's a world of difference between assessing a manager who's been in charge for three years and trying to assess one who's been in charge for 11 games. Notwithstanding that, Mancini failed to beat Kiev, Ajax, and Napoli, in crucial ties in European competition. This suggests to me there would have been fuck all guarantee he'd have gotten us out of this group. As it stands though, Pellegrini has. To suggest anyone could do it is wildly disingenuous.
Didsbury Dave said:Graham Hunter was asked about Pellegrini this morning on Talksport. He knows him having worked with him in Spain. The gist of what he said was that every player he's ever talked to who played for Pellegrini has huge respect for him as a man manager and a tactician. He leads and teams follow. He also said that Pellegrini had highlighted a need for a top class centre back and a top class playmaker to go alongside Silva. City wouldn't pay the cash for Pepe and missed out on Isco, and these have affected us given our injury record. He also believes, just as I do, that these squad deficiencies will be sorted out. He also believes that he's acheived his first objective, he's still in with a big shout of the league, and that we are still his favourites to win it.
Exactly how I see it. Whilst the away form needs to be sorted, and needs to be sorted quick, I have seen enough to believe that it will.
GaudinoMotors said:Wildly disingenuous ? To say we'd get through against CSKA AND Plzen?
You think they're stronger away than Napoli and Ajax?
As you're so keen on comparisons - campare Mancini's performances against Bayern to the embarrassing football and tactical lesson we recently had.
and when Pellegrini ended up at Malaga after Real Madrid?BillyShears said:It's why Pellegrini was so highly sought after this summer whilst Mancini has ended up in a Turkish shop window.
GaudinoMotors said:BillyShears said:GaudinoMotors said:Don't forget that after we won the league and whilst still in Europe you were calling for Mancini to be replaced - for many there were way more positives than negatives then. At least those expressing concerns now - have 4 points out of 18 to discuss. Yes yes progressing in Europe - but Frank Clark would have got through that group.
Maybe it's just my own sense of right and wrong, but I think there's a world of difference between assessing a manager who's been in charge for three years and trying to assess one who's been in charge for 11 games. Notwithstanding that, Mancini failed to beat Kiev, Ajax, and Napoli, in crucial ties in European competition. This suggests to me there would have been fuck all guarantee he'd have gotten us out of this group. As it stands though, Pellegrini has. To suggest anyone could do it is wildly disingenuous.
Wildly disingenuous ? To say we'd get through against CSKA AND Plzen?
You think they're stronger away than Napoli and Ajax?
As you're so keen on comparisons - campare Mancini's performances against Bayern to the embarrassing football and tactical lesson we recently had.
BillyShears said:GaudinoMotors said:Wildly disingenuous ? To say we'd get through against CSKA AND Plzen?
You think they're stronger away than Napoli and Ajax?
As you're so keen on comparisons - campare Mancini's performances against Bayern to the embarrassing football and tactical lesson we recently had.
Yes wildly disingenuous. Why don't you go and read up on Plzen and CSKA's records in Europe in the last couple of years. In fact, to suggest Frank Clark would've gotten us out of that group is both laughable and embarrassing. The kind shit I expect from the idiot brigade, but not from you.
You are right we were thoroughly outclassed against Bayern at home. However why on earth is that important when we've qualified from the group. I'd rather have taken a spanking off Bayern the year Mancini had them in the group if it could've meant a better showing against Napoli and ultimately qualifying from the group.
Mancini can't touch Pellegrini's record in Europe with teams assembled on a shoestring. It's why Pellegrini was so highly sought after this summer whilst Mancini has ended up in a Turkish shop window.
flb said:Its all about Europe with you Billy, lets hope Pellagrini qualifies for Europe this season in that case. Domestically Mancini is miles in front, and thats how you qualify for Europe.
flb said:Didsbury Dave said:Graham Hunter was asked about Pellegrini this morning on Talksport. He knows him having worked with him in Spain. The gist of what he said was that every player he's ever talked to who played for Pellegrini has huge respect for him as a man manager and a tactician. He leads and teams follow. He also said that Pellegrini had highlighted a need for a top class centre back and a top class playmaker to go alongside Silva. City wouldn't pay the cash for Pepe and missed out on Isco, and these have affected us given our injury record. He also believes, just as I do, that these squad deficiencies will be sorted out. He also believes that he's acheived his first objective, he's still in with a big shout of the league, and that we are still his favourites to win it.
Exactly how I see it. Whilst the away form needs to be sorted, and needs to be sorted quick, I have seen enough to believe that it will.
I bet you were shaking your head on Sunday though Dave when you saw Garcia paired with Yaya and that fucking clueless defender Kolorov starting.
BillyShears said:flb said:So his away form both at City and before that Malaga doesn't worry you?
This is the trouble with you guys who just look at numbers on a piece of paper rather than actually spending a bit of time researching the facts behind the figures. You reach systematic damning conclusions which are a long way from reality.
To begin with, why would you look at Malaga's away record when they were a club in a totally different situation than the one City are in. If anything you should avoid talking about Malaga like the plague, because the truth is that at Malaga, just like at Villareal, Pellegrini took nothing teams into the latter stages of the CL whilst still remaining relatively competitive in the domestic league. Malaga supporters were delighted with Pellegrini and his time in charge of them, as were the Villareal supporters. This suggests that they could see that with the limited resources he had, the job he did was excellent.
Better to focus on our away form, which isn't good enough and really needs to fix up tout suite. It's subjective, but for me our performances on the whole have gotten better. The goals we've conceded have been largely down to individual player error rather than any systematic failure on the manager's part. Yes ultimately the responsibility lies with the manager - so if at the end of the season we're still conceding soft goals, still not winning games away from home, and have not won any trophies, then it's fair to have a go. In fact, if we're 12 points off the title in January/February it's fair to have a go.
What I find knee jerk and a bit sad is that it's all going on in November when there are more positives than there are negatives in our progress under Pellegrini and we're still in every competition we've entered. That's already progress on this time last season.
flb said:BillyShears said:GaudinoMotors said:Wildly disingenuous ? To say we'd get through against CSKA AND Plzen?
You think they're stronger away than Napoli and Ajax?
As you're so keen on comparisons - campare Mancini's performances against Bayern to the embarrassing football and tactical lesson we recently had.
Yes wildly disingenuous. Why don't you go and read up on Plzen and CSKA's records in Europe in the last couple of years. In fact, to suggest Frank Clark would've gotten us out of that group is both laughable and embarrassing. The kind shit I expect from the idiot brigade, but not from you.
You are right we were thoroughly outclassed against Bayern at home. However why on earth is that important when we've qualified from the group. I'd rather have taken a spanking off Bayern the year Mancini had them in the group if it could've meant a better showing against Napoli and ultimately qualifying from the group.
Mancini can't touch Pellegrini's record in Europe with teams assembled on a shoestring. It's why Pellegrini was so highly sought after this summer whilst Mancini has ended up in a Turkish shop window.
Its all about Europe with you Billy, lets hope Pellagrini qualifies for Europe this season in that case. Domestically Mancini is miles in front, and thats how you qualify for Europe.