Rolee said:BlueAnorak said:By the Premier League rules (see above) he is no longer U21 in season 2014-15 and is therefore classed as a foreign player and therefore counts as one of the 17 foreign players that can be part of a Premier League squad.
I believe you've got that wrong mate
"An Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences."
Nastasic was 20 years old on that date therefore doesn't have to be named in the PL squad to be eligible to play.
Premier League Rule:
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A.1.81. “home Grown Player” means a Player who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been
registered with any Club (or club) affiliated to the Football Association or the Football
Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three Seasons or 36 months prior to
his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21) and for the purposes of
this definition of “Home Grown Player” a Season will be deemed to commence on the date
on which the first Transfer Window closes and expire on the date of the final League Match
of the Season;
UEFA Champions League Rules
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18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of
the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during
which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been
registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire
seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant
national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant
national championship) or of 36 months.
Last season Nastasic hadn't been a City player for the required 2 seasons to qualify for the B List as he only joined in the summer of 2012.George Hannah said:Nasty was certainly a foreign trained player in last season's CL A list. One of 16 such. Not even the most ardent 'Nasty for the 2014/15 B List' advocate has disagreed with that. In total there were 24 players eligible for the A list with one Club Trained vacancy - which was left surprisingly unfilled by Guidetti.Pam said:How many players did we post in the CL last year?
A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1993
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.
BlueAnorak said:Rolee said:BlueAnorak said:By the Premier League rules (see above) he is no longer U21 in season 2014-15 and is therefore classed as a foreign player and therefore counts as one of the 17 foreign players that can be part of a Premier League squad.
I believe you've got that wrong mate
"An Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences."
What bit of...
Premier League Rule:Nastasic was 20 years old on that date therefore doesn't have to be named in the PL squad to be eligible to play.
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A.1.81. “home Grown Player” means a Player who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been
registered with any Club (or club) affiliated to the Football Association or the Football
Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three Seasons or 36 months prior to
his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21) and for the purposes of
this definition of “Home Grown Player” a Season will be deemed to commence on the date
on which the first Transfer Window closes and expire on the date of the final League Match
of the Season;
UEFA Champions League Rules
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/09/88/17/2098817_DOWNLOAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow ... WNLOAD.pdf</a>
18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of
the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during
which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been
registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire
seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant
national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant
national championship) or of 36 months.
Rolee said:That is the rule for homegrown that you're quoting. It has nothing to do with what the PL defines as an under21.
Can you grasp?
“Under 21 Player” means a Player under the age of 21 as at the 1 January in the year
in which the Season concerned commences (i.e. for Season 2014/15 born on or after
1 January 1993);
So, as Nastasic meets U.1.2. he is eligible to play in league games, this means he doesn't need to meet U.1.1., or in other words, he doesn't need to be included in the 25 man Premier League squad, and won't count towards our 17 non-home grown players.A Player shall not play for a Club in a League Match unless that Club holds his registration
with effect from at least one hour before kick-off and for League Matches to be played
between the close of the First Transfer Window and the end of the Season either:
U.1.1. his name is included on the Squad List; or
U.1.2. he is an Under 21 Player
Matty said:Rolee said:That is the rule for homegrown that you're quoting. It has nothing to do with what the PL defines as an under21.
Can you grasp?
The Premier League define an under 21 player as....
“Under 21 Player” means a Player under the age of 21 as at the 1 January in the year
in which the Season concerned commences (i.e. for Season 2014/15 born on or after
1 January 1993);
Nastasic was born 28th March 1993 so would be counted as an under 21 player for the upcoming season.
As far as squad registration counts, the Premier League has the following rule:-
So, as Nastasic meets U.1.2. he is eligible to play in league games, this means he doesn't need to meet U.1.1., or in other words, he doesn't need to be included in the 25 man Premier League squad, and won't count towards our 17 non-home grown players.A Player shall not play for a Club in a League Match unless that Club holds his registration
with effect from at least one hour before kick-off and for League Matches to be played
between the close of the First Transfer Window and the end of the Season either:
U.1.1. his name is included on the Squad List; or
U.1.2. he is an Under 21 Player
I say he's eligible which doesn't necessarily translate to City putting him in it. So it's a qualified YES from me...George Hannah said:The PL regulations about any under 21 player escaping the home-grown restrictions seems reasonable enough. However, on the currently fashionable BM reading of the UEFA rules, Nasty will be eligible to play in the Champs League this coming season through the B list. If he is still here the following season he will revert being a foreign trained player - having also been one last season. I ask myself is it consistent to scrap the three year club registration period that underlies the regulations for both A & B lists and substitute a two year qualification (as is the case for Nasty) for a single season only?
Anyway let's have a poll - Yes or No - Who thinks Nasty will be on the Champs League B list?
I say No
with a 21 man restriction if he's eligible and saves a foreign trained spot on the A list they'd be nuts not to!ColinLee said:I say he's eligible which doesn't necessarily translate to City putting him in it. So it's a qualified YES from me...George Hannah said:The PL regulations about any under 21 player escaping the home-grown restrictions seems reasonable enough. However, on the currently fashionable BM reading of the UEFA rules, Nasty will be eligible to play in the Champs League this coming season through the B list. If he is still here the following season he will revert being a foreign trained player - having also been one last season. I ask myself is it consistent to scrap the three year club registration period that underlies the regulations for both A & B lists and substitute a two year qualification (as is the case for Nasty) for a single season only?
Anyway let's have a poll - Yes or No - Who thinks Nasty will be on the Champs League B list?
I say No
True. Then again we still don't know the makeup of the squad restriction let alone who we'll have to actually list in the first place.George Hannah said:with a 21 man restriction if he's eligible and saves a foreign trained spot on the A list they'd be nuts not to!ColinLee said:I say he's eligible which doesn't necessarily translate to City putting him in it. So it's a qualified YES from me...George Hannah said:The PL regulations about any under 21 player escaping the home-grown restrictions seems reasonable enough. However, on the currently fashionable BM reading of the UEFA rules, Nasty will be eligible to play in the Champs League this coming season through the B list. If he is still here the following season he will revert being a foreign trained player - having also been one last season. I ask myself is it consistent to scrap the three year club registration period that underlies the regulations for both A & B lists and substitute a two year qualification (as is the case for Nasty) for a single season only?
Anyway let's have a poll - Yes or No - Who thinks Nasty will be on the Champs League B list?
I say No