FFP facing legal challenge (updated pg 12)

[Salford_Blue]

The vitriol from the established big teams was first directed at Chelsea, then ourselves (and continuing - just wait till our academy is rated the only 5 star academy in the world and starts hoovering up all the young talent) then the Russian side, PSG, Malaga to some extent, and now Monaco. To use the phrase from corporal Jones they don't like it up em Mr Manwairing. Good luck to Monaco and any other team which wants to invest in football.

It isn't a coincidence that the vitriol has changed to a mere whimper so soon after two French clubs are taken over though.

As the old saying goes..."The silence is deafening".

 

[VOOMER]

So you are saying you prefer a club like Monaco at the top table over a club like Borussia Dortmund?

Who are you 'buzzing' for? Their 5,000 fans? I understand those who say they welcome Monaco, because it suits City, but you make it sound like they are actually a good thing for football.

Why isn't it a good thing for football? I welcome anyone that confronts and takes on the existing hegemony.

This.

The hypocrisy of rags and Gooners (of which MB is one, I think) over the issue of "buying success" never ceases to amuse, and in particular the rag anthem of "but we did it with our own money", as if there is some nobility inherent in gaining massive financial advantage in perpetuity, courtesy of a closed shop of a competition (complete with rigged seedings system), that no-one else has a hope in hell of getting into unless they have the good fortune to be taken over by someone like Abramovitch or Sheikh Mansour. For teams like Arsenal and the rags, the Chimps League is the Trojan horse they use to systematically relieve all putative contenders of their best players (particularly youngsters), whilst laughably promoting themselves as the great champions of home grown talent.
The example of Dortmund is a great case in point. Whilst the relatively less cash orientated and insular nature of the Bundesliga has helped them earn a place at the top table that will forever be denied to say Everton, no matter how hard they try, it still isn't enough to prevent the Deutsche version of the rags raping them senseless as a result.
FFP is blatant protectionism, and if Monaco can drive a coach and horses through Gill and Rummenigge's naked self interest, then bloody good luck to them. Dreams. It's what football's all about.......

100% spot on, *ucking A!

 

[davymcfc]

If I owned a small chain of convenience stores and a millionaire bought them off me and brought in the best shop workers and marketing teams and best facilities, do you think tesco and sainsburys would try and stop them from spending money on the business?

 

[lancs blue]

For us, Monaco can only be a good thing as it challenges the whole notion of FFP as currently implemented.

Agree. I'm buzzing for them. I hope they continue and even buy some of our players like Lescott and Maicon etc. Fair play to them (pun intended).

I sit and wait with interest how PSG will react to the tax issues too. That's another FFP buster right there.

Look forward to Monaco's announcement of sponsorship. The Samaritans will be busy with Gill, Wenger and Ayre in the coming weeks.

So you are saying you prefer a club like Monaco at the top table over a club like Borussia Dortmund?

Who are you 'buzzing' for? Their 5,000 fans? I understand those who say they welcome Monaco, because it suits City, but you make it sound like they are actually a good thing for football.

You mean just like they were 9 years ago when they reached the CL Final? You make it sound as if Monaco are a club who've sprung from nowhere - they hit a bad patch and got relegated but the new owners are taking them back towards the top of French football.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The hypocrisy of rags and Gooners (of which MB is one, I think) over the issue of "buying success" never ceases to amuse, and in particular the rag anthem of "but we did it with our own money", as if there is some nobility inherent in gaining massive financial advantage in perpetuity, courtesy of a closed shop of a competition (complete with rigged seedings system), that no-one else has a hope in hell of getting into unless they have the good fortune to be taken over by someone like Abramovitch or Sheikh Mansour. For teams like Arsenal and the rags, the Chimps League is the Trojan horse they use to systematically relieve all putative contenders of their best players (particularly youngsters), whilst laughably promoting themselves as the great champions of home grown talent.
The example of Dortmund is a great case in point. Whilst the relatively less cash orientated and insular nature of the Bundesliga has helped them earn a place at the top table that will forever be denied to say Everton, no matter how hard they try, it still isn't enough to prevent the Deutsche version of the rags raping them senseless as a result.
FFP is blatant protectionism, and if Monaco can drive a coach and horses through Gill and Rummenigge's naked self interest, then bloody good luck to them. Dreams. It's what football's all about.......

Fucking brilliant post.

 

[gooner6729]

So you are saying you prefer a club like Monaco at the top table over a club like Borussia Dortmund?

Who are you 'buzzing' for? Their 5,000 fans? I understand those who say they welcome Monaco, because it suits City, but you make it sound like they are actually a good thing for football.

Why isn't it a good thing for football? I welcome anyone that confronts and takes on the existing hegemony.

This.

The hypocrisy of rags and Gooners (of which MB is one, I think) over the issue of "buying success" never ceases to amuse, and in particular the rag anthem of "but we did it with our own money", as if there is some nobility inherent in gaining massive financial advantage in perpetuity, courtesy of a closed shop of a competition (complete with rigged seedings system), that no-one else has a hope in hell of getting into unless they have the good fortune to be taken over by someone like Abramovitch or Sheikh Mansour. For teams like Arsenal and the rags, the Chimps League is the Trojan horse they use to systematically relieve all putative contenders of their best players (particularly youngsters), whilst laughably promoting themselves as the great champions of home grown talent.
The example of Dortmund is a great case in point. Whilst the relatively less cash orientated and insular nature of the Bundesliga has helped them earn a place at the top table that will forever be denied to say Everton, no matter how hard they try, it still isn't enough to prevent the Deutsche version of the rags raping them senseless as a result.
FFP is blatant protectionism, and if Monaco can drive a coach and horses through Gill and Rummenigge's naked self interest, then bloody good luck to them. Dreams. It's what football's all about.......

Dreams? Dortmund have been the closest thing to 'dreams and romance' for the best part of a generation. Homegrown team from a working class town supported by a huge army of genuine fans. Sounds a bit like 50s United or 60s Celtic.

None of the new money clubs can claim the same level of romance attached to their recent success. City come closest by ticking the boxes 'good sized hardcore support, tradition, rivals to the personification of modern commercialised football that is United', but Monaco FFS? Olympique Marseille or St Etienne yes, but Monaco and football dreams doesn't add up

 

[Corky]

Why isn't it a good thing for football? I welcome anyone that confronts and takes on the existing hegemony.

This.

The hypocrisy of rags and Gooners (of which MB is one, I think) over the issue of "buying success" never ceases to amuse, and in particular the rag anthem of "but we did it with our own money", as if there is some nobility inherent in gaining massive financial advantage in perpetuity, courtesy of a closed shop of a competition (complete with rigged seedings system), that no-one else has a hope in hell of getting into unless they have the good fortune to be taken over by someone like Abramovitch or Sheikh Mansour. For teams like Arsenal and the rags, the Chimps League is the Trojan horse they use to systematically relieve all putative contenders of their best players (particularly youngsters), whilst laughably promoting themselves as the great champions of home grown talent.
The example of Dortmund is a great case in point. Whilst the relatively less cash orientated and insular nature of the Bundesliga has helped them earn a place at the top table that will forever be denied to say Everton, no matter how hard they try, it still isn't enough to prevent the Deutsche version of the rags raping them senseless as a result.
FFP is blatant protectionism, and if Monaco can drive a coach and horses through Gill and Rummenigge's naked self interest, then bloody good luck to them. Dreams. It's what football's all about.......

Dreams? Dortmund have been the closest thing to 'dreams and romance' for the best part of a generation. Homegrown team from a working class town supported by a huge army of genuine fans. Sounds a bit like 50s United or 60s Celtic.

None of the new money clubs can claim the same level of romance attached to their recent success. City come closest by ticking the boxes 'good sized hardcore support, tradition, rivals to the personification of modern commercialised football that is United', but Monaco FFS? Olympique Marseille or St Etienne yes, but Monaco and football dreams doesn't add up

Monaco are one of the most decorated clubs in France though, teams with small support are still important.

It was mainly smaller teams from Lancashire and Staffordshire who created the football league in this country and dominated before the richer clubs came in.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Why isn't it a good thing for football? I welcome anyone that confronts and takes on the existing hegemony.

This.

The hypocrisy of rags and Gooners (of which MB is one, I think) over the issue of "buying success" never ceases to amuse, and in particular the rag anthem of "but we did it with our own money", as if there is some nobility inherent in gaining massive financial advantage in perpetuity, courtesy of a closed shop of a competition (complete with rigged seedings system), that no-one else has a hope in hell of getting into unless they have the good fortune to be taken over by someone like Abramovitch or Sheikh Mansour. For teams like Arsenal and the rags, the Chimps League is the Trojan horse they use to systematically relieve all putative contenders of their best players (particularly youngsters), whilst laughably promoting themselves as the great champions of home grown talent.
The example of Dortmund is a great case in point. Whilst the relatively less cash orientated and insular nature of the Bundesliga has helped them earn a place at the top table that will forever be denied to say Everton, no matter how hard they try, it still isn't enough to prevent the Deutsche version of the rags raping them senseless as a result.
FFP is blatant protectionism, and if Monaco can drive a coach and horses through Gill and Rummenigge's naked self interest, then bloody good luck to them. Dreams. It's what football's all about.......

Dreams? Dortmund have been the closest thing to 'dreams and romance' for the best part of a generation. Homegrown team from a working class town supported by a huge army of genuine fans. Sounds a bit like 50s United or 60s Celtic.

None of the new money clubs can claim the same level of romance attached to their recent success. City come closest by ticking the boxes 'good sized hardcore support, tradition, rivals to the personification of modern commercialised football that is United', but Monaco FFS? Olympique Marseille or St Etienne yes, but Monaco and football dreams doesn't add up[/quote]



Are you about to play the "size" and "history" cards, so beloved of the rags, the Arse and the red Scouse?! If so, Monaco FC were founded in 1924, so they've been around a while, and they're hardly a village outfit or a new construct in the manner of the MK Dons. And are you suggesting that a club has to have a certain level of support before it can be allowed to "dream"? If so, well that's where we differ. The arrogance of supporters of the 3 clubs I mention above, and their unbelievable sense of entitlement, never fails to amaze. Let's have a little reminder of how they came by their lofty positions in the modern era though, eh? All 3 formed part of the so called Big 5, who threatened to break away from the Football League, unless they were given a deal guaranteeing them the lion's share of TV cash, and hence the Premier League was created. In addition to this a diamond dealer named Danny Fiszman then gifted the Arse £50m to spend. In 1992 the Chimps League was born, and then quickly expanded to ensure that the greedy piggies could all get their snouts in the cash trough, and an unbreachable financial chasm was established that lasted nearly 20 years. And then along came first Chelsea, and then City and PSG, and now Monaco, with FFP created in response to try and ensure there will never be legitimate competition for united, Bayern, Madrid etc.
When the day comes that TV revenues are distributed evenly and a draft system gets put in place for the recruitment of players, then come back and talk to me. It won't happen of course, and in truth I'm not remotely bothered either way. There has always been inequality in football, and I fully accept that. Manchester City are my one true love, but I also follow my hometown club Exeter City, who are about as impoverished as you can get, continuously forced to sell their best players (George Friend, Dean Moxey, Ryan Harley, Troy Archibold-Henville, it's a never ending list) to survive. I accept Exeter's situation without question, but I wouldn't expect anyone to object or criticise, or wage a campaign of bitterness and spite (which is what MCFC have had to put up with) were they to be bought by a Sheikh tomorrow and start a journey to the promised land. Like I said, dreams.

 

[moomba]

Dreams? Dortmund have been the closest thing to 'dreams and romance' for the best part of a generation. Homegrown team from a working class town supported by a huge army of genuine fans. Sounds a bit like 50s United or 60s Celtic.

None of the new money clubs can claim the same level of romance attached to their recent success. City come closest by ticking the boxes 'good sized hardcore support, tradition, rivals to the personification of modern commercialised football that is United', but Monaco FFS? Olympique Marseille or St Etienne yes, but Monaco and football dreams doesn't add up

I don't really get your attitude here.

It's a sport, not a theater.

Probably the best known motto in sport is faster, higher, stronger. Not faster, higher stronger unless your story isn't romantic enough in which case you can just stay the same.

Arsenal fans are probably those who IMO have most forgotten what the point of sport is. 4th place is celebrated because it is a good earner, not because it is the best the club is capable of achieving.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Why isn't it a good thing for football? I welcome anyone that confronts and takes on the existing hegemony.

This.

The hypocrisy of rags and Gooners (of which MB is one, I think) over the issue of "buying success" never ceases to amuse, and in particular the rag anthem of "but we did it with our own money", as if there is some nobility inherent in gaining massive financial advantage in perpetuity, courtesy of a closed shop of a competition (complete with rigged seedings system), that no-one else has a hope in hell of getting into unless they have the good fortune to be taken over by someone like Abramovitch or Sheikh Mansour. For teams like Arsenal and the rags, the Chimps League is the Trojan horse they use to systematically relieve all putative contenders of their best players (particularly youngsters), whilst laughably promoting themselves as the great champions of home grown talent.
The example of Dortmund is a great case in point. Whilst the relatively less cash orientated and insular nature of the Bundesliga has helped them earn a place at the top table that will forever be denied to say Everton, no matter how hard they try, it still isn't enough to prevent the Deutsche version of the rags raping them senseless as a result.
FFP is blatant protectionism, and if Monaco can drive a coach and horses through Gill and Rummenigge's naked self interest, then bloody good luck to them. Dreams. It's what football's all about.......

Dreams? Dortmund have been the closest thing to 'dreams and romance' for the best part of a generation. Homegrown team from a working class town supported by a huge army of genuine fans. Sounds a bit like 50s United or 60s Celtic.

None of the new money clubs can claim the same level of romance attached to their recent success. City come closest by ticking the boxes 'good sized hardcore support, tradition, rivals to the personification of modern commercialised football that is United', but Monaco FFS? Olympique Marseille or St Etienne yes, but Monaco and football dreams doesn't add up

It wasn't so long ago that Monaco was running roughshod over all of Ligue Un and even managing some success in Europe. Don't you remember the bitter controversy over Monaco's tax status (just now being revived)? Sorry, but not much validity in your pontifications when you have no memories of even very recent history...