For those who like Mancini

[squirtyflower]

if only that were true!

if you search the posts of some of the individuals on here like tolmie did you will see that it started August 08
furthermore there are some interesting threads regarding the signing of bellamy where those self same posters abused both him and hughes and said they would never go to COMS if he signed

so, for most of them, the seven draws had nothing to do with it

It was for me, because I backed the signings of Bellamy and Bridge etc, though I was shitting myself at the thought of Upson. But when you're throwing away leads against the likes of Burnley and Hull, something has to give.

-- Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:14 am --

Oh, and who's flourished under Mancini? Tevez, and he said so himself. Fair Tevez did score against Chelsea, Arsenal and Bolton at the end of Hughes' reign, but under Mancini he has made himself the No.1 Striker at the club, and I don't think Hughes knew how to use him properly.

this is going no-where
you said 'everyone', i showed it wasn't
you throw in upson; when was a firm reported bid ever made?

i really can't be arsed on the tevez thing, players say what they want depending on the audience; look at robinho at the moment

and wasn't that supposed to be one of hughes failings? not getting the best out of top top players like tevez, and again you have mentioned it, sucked in by the hype
i see roberto did a good job with robinho, unlike hughes, and got him scoring lots of goals
(just not in a blue shirt!)

 

[selim]

Actually NO! ,The whole "give managers time" debate is useless when you have a clown in charge.

how does a clown get you 6th in the league with a game in hand; the first semi final in two generations and only two defeats in 27 games?
you are the one being clownish

Do you really think that Mancini can not beat scunthorpe and Fulham and Arsenal reserves"at home"?
and how many times do we have to say that only points count not the number of defeats?

 

[Anonymous]

It was for me, because I backed the signings of Bellamy and Bridge etc, though I was shitting myself at the thought of Upson. But when you're throwing away leads against the likes of Burnley and Hull, something has to give.

-- Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:14 am --

Oh, and who's flourished under Mancini? Tevez, and he said so himself. Fair Tevez did score against Chelsea, Arsenal and Bolton at the end of Hughes' reign, but under Mancini he has made himself the No.1 Striker at the club, and I don't think Hughes knew how to use him properly.

this is going no-where
you said 'everyone', i showed it wasn't
you throw in upson; when was a firm reported bid ever made?

i really can't be arsed on the tevez thing, players say what they want depending on the audience; look at robinho at the moment

and wasn't that supposed to be one of hughes failings? not getting the best out of top top players like tevez, and again you have mentioned it, sucked in by the hype
i see roberto did a good job with robinho, unlike hughes, and got him scoring lots of goals
(just not in a blue shirt!)

Funnily enough this thread has pretty neatly pointed out all the failings of the Hughes Out brigade. Stinks of an arrogant new City mentality when we can't as supporters behave with the same class that Hughes did after he get so publicly sacked. Still people on here go on and on and on about what a shit manager he was blah blah blah...

 

[squirtyflower]

this is going no-where
you said 'everyone', i showed it wasn't
you throw in upson; when was a firm reported bid ever made?

i really can't be arsed on the tevez thing, players say what they want depending on the audience; look at robinho at the moment

and wasn't that supposed to be one of hughes failings? not getting the best out of top top players like tevez, and again you have mentioned it, sucked in by the hype
i see roberto did a good job with robinho, unlike hughes, and got him scoring lots of goals
(just not in a blue shirt!)

Funnily enough this thread has pretty neatly pointed out all the failings of the Hughes Out brigade. Stinks of an arrogant new City mentality when we can't as supporters behave with the same class that Hughes did after he get so publicly sacked. Still people on here go on and on and on about what a shit manager he was blah blah blah...

agreed
and they still can't let it go and take every opportunity to have a pop
he's gone now, mancini is the manager and yet there are so many 'innocent' posts about a topic that includes a snide comment regarding hughes
that's what usually gets my back up, if only they could act with the same dignity he has done, just like when he commented on the chelsea-city game, not one bad word about us, yet even that was treated with disdain and comments about huge pay-offs

 

[mammutly]

Funnily enough this thread has pretty neatly pointed out all the failings of the Hughes Out brigade. Stinks of an arrogant new City mentality when we can't as supporters behave with the same class that Hughes did after he get so publicly sacked. Still people on here go on and on and on about what a shit manager he was blah blah blah...

agreed
and they still can't let it go and take every opportunity to have a pop
he's gone now, mancini is the manager and yet there are so many 'innocent' posts about a topic that includes a snide comment regarding hughes
that's what usually gets my back up, if only they could act with the same dignity he has done, just like when he commented on the chelsea-city game, not one bad word about us, yet even that was treated with disdain and comments about huge pay-offs

He doesn't get half that stick that Stuart Pearce does. Pearce was an honest man who did his best with no resources, kept us in the Premiership and took us close to a UEFA place.
City fans have a long history of condemning ex managers, and of course have many to choose from.

 

[squirtyflower]

"Now there's a wall between us something there's been lost
I took too much for granted got my signals crossed
Just to think that it all began on a long-forgotten morn

But nothing really matters much it's doom alone that counts"


and yet i never booed him or wanted him gone, and have never slated him since he left
that's the difference

 

[Anonymous]

agreed
and they still can't let it go and take every opportunity to have a pop
he's gone now, mancini is the manager and yet there are so many 'innocent' posts about a topic that includes a snide comment regarding hughes
that's what usually gets my back up, if only they could act with the same dignity he has done, just like when he commented on the chelsea-city game, not one bad word about us, yet even that was treated with disdain and comments about huge pay-offs

He doesn't get half that stick that Stuart Pearce does. Pearce was an honest man who did his best with no resources, kept us in the Premiership and took us close to a UEFA place.
City fans have a long history of condemning ex managers, and of course have many to choose from.

I don't recall Stuart Pearce receiving anything but support and praise for the first 9/10 months of his tenure. Whereas Hughes was lambasted within weeks of the season starting, as being clueless, incompetent, and not fit to manage City...

It's all ancient history now. It just smacks of a distinct lack of class to still be going on about Hughes as if he's a footballing neanderthal when in fact it will be as much his work as Mancini's which gets us to 4th (if we get there)...

 

[TTS]

How well did Mancini do in the cups? Oh, that's right - got beat by the scum and bombed out at the mighty Stoke.

Yet Hughes is "shit" and Mancini is the messiah?

Okaaay...

I agree with a lot of what you say, but this bit is silly.

1) Mancini has a very very good record in domestic cup competitions over the course of his career. 2) I couldn't name many sides that would beat the rags over 2 legs.

I know you're trying to inject some balance, but I don't think criticizing Mancini's cup record is the right way to do it.

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

How well did Mancini do in the cups? Oh, that's right - got beat by the scum and bombed out at the mighty Stoke.

Yet Hughes is "shit" and Mancini is the messiah?

Okaaay...

I agree with a lot of what you say, but this bit is silly.

1) Mancini has a very very good record in domestic cup competitions over the course of his career. 2) I couldn't name many sides that would beat the rags over 2 legs.

I know you're trying to inject some balance, but I don't think criticizing Mancini's cup record is the right way to do it.

You're missing my point. A poster claimed Hughes was "shit" - yet his cup record with the same squad was far better than Mancini's.

-- Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:54 pm --

Hughes was a shit manager.
We got to the semi by the luck of the draw and nothing else.
Name me one great win under Hughes?

Chelsea! Hey, here's another - Arsenal in the league!

Exactly! There were none, he was shit.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but this bit is silly.

1) Mancini has a very very good record in domestic cup competitions over the course of his career. 2) I couldn't name many sides that would beat the rags over 2 legs.

I know you're trying to inject some balance, but I don't think criticizing Mancini's cup record is the right way to do it.

You're missing my point. A poster claimed Hughes was "shit" - yet his cup record with the same squad was far better than Mancini's.

Scunthorpe, Fulham reserves and Arsenal reserves hardly constitutes tough tests.

Of course Hughes had a magnificent record in the cups last season with City didn't he......

 

[TTS]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but this bit is silly.

1) Mancini has a very very good record in domestic cup competitions over the course of his career. 2) I couldn't name many sides that would beat the rags over 2 legs.

I know you're trying to inject some balance, but I don't think criticizing Mancini's cup record is the right way to do it.

You're missing my point. A poster claimed Hughes was "shit" - yet his cup record with the same squad was far better than Mancini's.

Of course, you're more likely to do well in a cup in the early stages. Hughes didn't have to play one of the top teams in Europe at full strength in a KO competition. Should have beaten the rags though :D

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

You're missing my point. A poster claimed Hughes was "shit" - yet his cup record with the same squad was far better than Mancini's.

Scunthorpe, Fulham reserves and Arsenal reserves hardly constitutes tough tests.

Arsenal beat Liverpool. And we beat a full strength Arsenal in the league.

And Stoke wasn't exactly a "tough test" was it?! Yet Mancini bombed out.

Of course Hughes had a magnificent record in the cups last season with City didn't he......

His first season - and with a far inferior squad than this season.

-- Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:00 pm --

Of course, you're more likely to do well in a cup in the early stages.

Er - tell that to Mancini.

 

[TTS]

Scunthorpe, Fulham reserves and Arsenal reserves hardly constitutes tough tests.

Arsenal beat Liverpool. And we beat a full strength Arsenal in the league.

And Stoke wasn't exactly a "tough test" was it?! Yet Mancini bombed out.

Of course Hughes had a magnificent record in the cups last season with City didn't he......

His first season - and with a far inferior squad than this season.

-- Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:00 pm --

Of course, you're more likely to do well in a cup in the early stages.

Er - tell that to Mancini.

I would suggest that the end of next season would be an apt time to judge Mancini re domestic cups. I am inclined to believe that a man who won the Coppa Italia with Fiorentina (dire financial conditions), Lazio (dire financial conditions) and Inter Milan in a short space of time might actually be quite good at it. No, on second thoughts, I'm sure Hughes would have done the same in the same conditions....right?

 

[robbieh]

Scunthorpe, Fulham reserves and Arsenal reserves hardly constitutes tough tests.

Arsenal beat Liverpool. And we beat a full strength Arsenal in the league.

And Stoke wasn't exactly a "tough test" was it?! Yet Mancini bombed out.

Of course Hughes had a magnificent record in the cups last season with City didn't he......

His first season - and with a far inferior squad than this season.-- Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:00 pm --

Of course, you're more likely to do well in a cup in the early stages.

Er - tell that to Mancini.

That far inferior squad included Robinho, Elano, Kompany, SWP, Ireland, Dunne, Richards, Petrov, Hart, Nedum, Zabaleta, Bojinov etc that bombed out to Brighton and Nottingham Forest

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

Arsenal beat Liverpool. And we beat a full strength Arsenal in the league.

And Stoke wasn't exactly a "tough test" was it?! Yet Mancini bombed out.



His first season - and with a far inferior squad than this season.-- Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:00 pm --



Er - tell that to Mancini.

That far inferior squad included Robinho, Elano, Kompany, SWP, Ireland, Dunne, Richards, Petrov, Hart, Nedum, Zabaleta, Bojinov etc that bombed out to Brighton and Nottingham Forest

And exactly where are Elano, Robinho and Bojinov now? They got transfered/loaned cos they weren't good enough!

SWP was hardly flying last season. Dunne wasn't as good as in previous years.

Like I said - it was a far inferior squad than the one Hughes got to the semi. FACT.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

That far inferior squad included Robinho, Elano, Kompany, SWP, Ireland, Dunne, Richards, Petrov, Hart, Nedum, Zabaleta, Bojinov etc that bombed out to Brighton and Nottingham Forest

And exactly where are Elano, Robinho and Bojinov now? They got transfered/loaned cos they weren't good enough!

SWP was hardly flying last season. Dunne wasn't as good as in previous years.

Like I said - it was a far inferior squad than the one Hughes got to the semi. FACT.

They got transferred/loaned because Hughes was unable to manage them and lost their support and therefore their commitment to city.

Your belief that Hughes did well to get us to the semi smacks of idolisation. The cold facts are it was a gimme.

 

[scorer]

They got transferred/loaned because Hughes was unable to manage them and lost their support and therefore their commitment to city.

Your belief that Hughes did well to get us to the semi smacks of idolisation. The cold facts are it was a gimme.

^^^ THIS MANY TIMES OVER^^^^

Accept it he was a poor manager with a poor management team that did very poorly with the resources at his disposal. Sven got us into Europe, he didn't... remember the games against Midgyetland Aalbourg....?

Then failing to qualify this season.... the man was and is clueless and the fact clubs aint been falling over themselves to sign him up says it all. They can see his shortcomings which were so blatantly obvious at City that he will end up with a mid table Prem side or in the Championship.

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

And exactly where are Elano, Robinho and Bojinov now? They got transfered/loaned cos they weren't good enough!

SWP was hardly flying last season. Dunne wasn't as good as in previous years.

Like I said - it was a far inferior squad than the one Hughes got to the semi. FACT.

They got transferred/loaned because Hughes was unable to manage them and lost their support and therefore their commitment to city.

Huh? Robinho got loaned by Mancini. Why? Because, like Hughes found out, Robinho is a lazy waster. Everton away ring any bells?

And the rest is pure speculation.

Your belief that Hughes did well to get us to the semi smacks of idolisation.

No, it's called realism. If you cannot give some credit to the manager who got us to our first semi in over 20 years and say 'well done - good job', then it just shows how your antipathy towards Hughes has twisted your view of what a good achievement it was.

The cold facts are it was a gimme.

Okaaay....

 

[Anonymous]

They got transferred/loaned because Hughes was unable to manage them and lost their support and therefore their commitment to city.

Your belief that Hughes did well to get us to the semi smacks of idolisation. The cold facts are it was a gimme.

^^^ THIS MANY TIMES OVER^^^^

Accept it he was a poor manager with a poor management team that did very poorly with the resources at his disposal. Sven got us into Europe, he didn't... remember the games against Midgyetland Aalbourg....?

Then failing to qualify this season.... the man was and is clueless and the fact clubs aint been falling over themselves to sign him up says it all. They can see his shortcomings which were so blatantly obvious at City that he will end up with a mid table Prem side or in the Championship.

More of less the same West Ham side from this season finished above us last season.

Hughes was shit, and will always be shit which is why he will never get a top job in the future.

FACT<br /><br />-- Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:01 am --<br /><br />

They got transferred/loaned because Hughes was unable to manage them and lost their support and therefore their commitment to city.

Huh? Robinho got loaned by Mancini. Why? Because, like Hughes found out, Robinho is a lazy waster. Everton away ring any bells?

And the rest is pure speculation.

Your belief that Hughes did well to get us to the semi smacks of idolisation.

No, it's called realism. If you cannot give some credit to the manager who got us to our first semi in over 20 years and say 'well done - good job', then it just shows how your antipathy towards Hughes has twisted your view of what a good achievement it was.

The cold facts are it was a gimme.

Okaaay....

My nan could of got us to the semi finals of the carling cup if she played Crystal Palace, Scunthorpe, Fulham reserves (she wouldn't of needed extra time either!!!) and Arsenal reserves.

All this "Hughes would of beaten United in the semi's" is based on what? Two of the limpest, flat performances ever in a derby game?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

They got transferred/loaned because Hughes was unable to manage them and lost their support and therefore their commitment to city.

Huh? Robinho got loaned by Mancini. Why? Because, like Hughes found out, Robinho is a lazy waster. Everton away ring any bells?

And the rest is pure speculation.


Okaaay....

Here is what I posted when I heard Hughes had got rid of Elano

Gelsons Dad
Post subject: Re: How will robinho react now elano has gone!!Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:59 am


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Knowing the Brazilian temperament very well having spent the last 6 years working with them I expect Robbie to have a crap year and predict people will be saying get rid by the end of the year. This was a very strong move by MH who better not fall out with any of our new players or we are fucked.

The reason we lost Robinho was because we lost Elano and that was all down to Hughes.

As for Robinho being a waster, he was our top scoring and assisting waster last season before Hughes fucked us over.