Gareth Barry

tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

This is all true.

The thing is though its a squad game nowadays. With the Jury very nearly in on Javi Garcia and it isn't favourable and with Jack Rodwell being so delicate I just think we should keep him around. In the really big games in the Premiership against our rivals he is usually one of the stars of the show and for £6M its a small price to pay for so much quality and experience.
 
ifiwasarichfan said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

This is all true.

The thing is though its a squad game nowadays. With the Jury very nearly in on Javi Garcia and it isn't favourable and with Jack Rodwell being so delicate I just think we should keep him around. In the really big games in the Premiership against our rivals he
is usually one of the stars of the show and for £6M its a small price to pay for so much quality and experience.


It's not just £6m though...City would also have to offer him a new extension or he walks for free next summer.

That would be a further financial commitment that makes no sense for a player who has question marks over his ability to maintain his levels right now, let alone, two years from now.

Gareth is in a very strong position and knows it. Pick up top wages for another 12 months, chance to land another medal, then pick up a juicy signing-on fee elsewhere, same goes for Lescott.

Doesn't make it right, but that's football. City need to do what is best for us.

The only logical step is for City to lower his fee enough for him to move before the window closes, so a club can get near to his money.

To be honest, I'm not sure there are many club out there who would consider it prudent to hand Gaz a £60,000 a week deal, at this stage of his career, unless you count the mug payers such as Stoke and QPR.

Shame we can't sell both Gareth and Garcia, perhaps recoup £12m. Milner and Rodwell are good enough and need to get more chances to play back-up, with hopefully, a couple of youngsters knocking on the door in 18 months.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
ifiwasarichfan said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

This is all true.

The thing is though its a squad game nowadays. With the Jury very nearly in on Javi Garcia and it isn't favourable and with Jack Rodwell being so delicate I just think we should keep him around. In the really big games in the Premiership against our rivals he
is usually one of the stars of the show and for £6M its a small price to pay for so much quality and experience.


It's not just £6m though...City would also have to offer him a new extension or he walks for free next summer.

That would be a further financial commitment that makes no sense for a player who has question marks over his ability to maintain his levels right now, let alone, two years from now.

Gareth is in a very strong position and knows it. Pick up top wages for another 12 months, chance to land another medal, then pick up a juicy signing-on fee elsewhere, same goes for Lescott.

Doesn't make it right, but that's football. City need to do what is best for us.

The only logical step is for City to lower his fee enough for him to move before the window closes, so a club can get near to his money.

To be honest, I'm not sure there are many club out there who would consider it prudent to hand Gaz a £60,000 a week deal, at this stage of his career, unless you count the mug payers such as Stoke and QPR.

Shame we can't sell both Gareth and Garcia, perhaps recoup £12m. Milner and Rodwell are good enough and need to get more chances to play back-up, with hopefully, a couple of youngsters knocking on the door in 18 months.

Milner will also be in this position in 12 months as I think currently he has 2 years left. Wonder if he will get a new contract?
 
Very few players do the honourable thing and cut their wages to play regular football elsewhere if they see their chances of playing time are close to none. Barry has done great for us and has been worth his fee. I wouldn't mind him staying on another year with perhaps a future duty in New York lying in front of him. If so, a loandeal as proposed by City to Villa looks a decent solution to all parties. I wouldn't mind either if he was to be sold though.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
ifiwasarichfan said:
This is all true.

The thing is though its a squad game nowadays. With the Jury very nearly in on Javi Garcia and it isn't favourable and with Jack Rodwell being so delicate I just think we should keep him around. In the really big games in the Premiership against our rivals he
is usually one of the stars of the show and for £6M its a small price to pay for so much quality and experience.


It's not just £6m though...City would also have to offer him a new extension or he walks for free next summer.

That would be a further financial commitment that makes no sense for a player who has question marks over his ability to maintain his levels right now, let alone, two years from now.

Gareth is in a very strong position and knows it. Pick up top wages for another 12 months, chance to land another medal, then pick up a juicy signing-on fee elsewhere, same goes for Lescott.

Doesn't make it right, but that's football. City need to do what is best for us.

The only logical step is for City to lower his fee enough for him to move before the window closes, so a club can get near to his money.

To be honest, I'm not sure there are many club out there who would consider it prudent to hand Gaz a £60,000 a week deal, at this stage of his career, unless you count the mug payers such as Stoke and QPR.

Shame we can't sell both Gareth and Garcia, perhaps recoup £12m. Milner and Rodwell are good enough and need to get more chances to play back-up, with hopefully, a couple of youngsters knocking on the door in 18 months.

Milner will also be in this position in 12 months as I think currently he has 2 years left. Wonder if he will get a new contract?

We'll find out by how much he's used this season I guess. If he does well he will no doubt get a new contract
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

It was Zaba's idiotic challenge that resulted in Zaba being sent off.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
ifiwasarichfan said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

This is all true.

The thing is though its a squad game nowadays. With the Jury very nearly in on Javi Garcia and it isn't favourable and with Jack Rodwell being so delicate I just think we should keep him around. In the really big games in the Premiership against our rivals he
is usually one of the stars of the show and for £6M its a small price to pay for so much quality and experience.


It's not just £6m though...City would also have to offer him a new extension or he walks for free next summer.

That would be a further financial commitment that makes no sense for a player who has question marks over his ability to maintain his levels right now, let alone, two years from now.

Gareth is in a very strong position and knows it. Pick up top wages for another 12 months, chance to land another medal, then pick up a juicy signing-on fee elsewhere, same goes for Lescott.

Doesn't make it right, but that's football. City need to do what is best for us.

The only logical step is for City to lower his fee enough for him to move before the window closes, so a club can get near to his money.

To be honest, I'm not sure there are many club out there who would consider it prudent to hand Gaz a £60,000 a week deal, at this stage of his career, unless you count the mug payers such as Stoke and QPR.

Shame we can't sell both Gareth and Garcia, perhaps recoup £12m. Milner and Rodwell are good enough and need to get more chances to play back-up, with hopefully, a couple of youngsters knocking on the door in 18 months.

Again, I can't argue with any of Tolmie's logic.

My point though still stands. He is still a vital player in our squad especially in the Premiership and £2M quid for a quick sale and the savings on the Salary may be a false economy if we hit suspensions and injuries in what is hopefully going to be a busy and successful Season.

I think our best option is to bite the Bullet on this one, get 20 to 25 more decent performances out of him and then let him walk at the end of the Season with a large vote of thanks. By which time maybe Rodwell has passed him in the pecking order.
 
NQCitizen said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

It was Zaba's idiotic challenge that resulted in Zaba being sent off.
Theeeez, only theeez
 
BlueTG said:
NQCitizen said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

It was Zaba's idiotic challenge that resulted in Zaba being sent off.
Theeeez, only theeez

It was Barry's wayward crossfield pass that led directly to Zab's desperate challenge.
 
lancs blue said:
BlueTG said:
NQCitizen said:
It was Zaba's idiotic challenge that resulted in Zaba being sent off.
Theeeez, only theeez

It was Barry's wayward crossfield pass that led directly to Zab's desperate challenge.
A few passes between Wigan players, wasn't the last man, had cover and did not need to go to ground. Yes Barry lost the ball needlessly, but Zaba went to ground wrecklessly and needlessly as he has been susceptible of before.
 
lancs blue said:
BlueTG said:
NQCitizen said:
It was Zaba's idiotic challenge that resulted in Zaba being sent off.
Theeeez, only theeez

It was Barry's wayward crossfield pass that led directly to Zab's desperate challenge.

Barry sloppily gave away a mediocre goalscoring chance to a team that had had no shots, and wasn't exactly known for its cutting edge.

Zabaleta reduced a demotivated side to 10 men handing back the fitness advantage City had and causing a huge tactical problem within the team.
 
Does anyone else feel that Barry might fall out of favour a lot this season. Can't see him
playing many matches at all.
 
I think Barry is a quality player but his lack of pace does hinder the side when playing the elite teams in Europe. In the Prem he gets away with it in most games, he can read the game well and most Prem teams have a lack of pace through the middle anyway and do not target him. When it came to playing Real, Ajax and Dortmund who counter attacked at speed through the middle and wide an ability to read the game only gets you so far, you need to have the pace to cover still. This is where Fernandinho improves us. The two of them together would create a more reserved and sensible approach in away games where the main aim is not to lose (in Europe).
 
ifiwasarichfan said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Barry has been well worth the money, but it's time to move him on.

He will cost us the best part of £6m if we allow him to see out his final year with us. His wages are massive and we might manage to scrape a fee of around £2m this summer to offset his salary.

He is on the downward curve and just doesn't have the capacity to perform at the highest-level. It happens to all players, the great and the good.

There were plenty of culprits in the Cup Final but Barry was even made to look past it by the enthusiastic running of Wigan.

Memory might be playing tricks, but I believe it was Barry's suicide ball across the back which resulted in Zabaleta also getting sent off?

This is all true.

The thing is though its a squad game nowadays. With the Jury very nearly in on Javi Garcia and it isn't favourable and with Jack Rodwell being so delicate I just think we should keep him around. In the really big games in the Premiership against our rivals he is usually one of the stars of the show and for £6M its a small price to pay for so much quality and experience.

Agree with that, depends if he's happy to be a squad player. Has been a great servant for the club but the signs were there last season that he's starting to decline
 
cityfan41 said:
Does anyone else feel that Barry might fall out of favour a lot this season. Can't see him
playing many matches at all.

If he stays, then yes. Leaving him out of the Arsenal trip with Sinclair is quite telling. If only Sinclair is sold and Pellegrini brings another defender. Someone of the current squad has to be left out the CL squad. Which will probably be Barry if he stays. Just like Kolo last season.
 
I think Pelle is trying to get rid of him because he sees him as a player in the stands.

He will put Garcia and Rodwell and Milner ad even Nasri on the bench many times ( or instead one of them Navas), no need for Barry there.
Clearly a fullback or even both will be on the bench (like Zabba/Clichy starts, so Micah/Kolarov on bench).
Pantilimon as well.
And two of Jovetic, Agüero, Dzeko, Negredo.

I expect a few players in the stands vs Newcastle could be a few surprise players being not even on the bench as we have not many injuries luckily now.

Barry's only role could be this season coming off the bench for last 15-20 minutes to hold the lead, make sure we are safe in the back but thats probably not the mentality of Pellegrini, more like Mancini. (Bring off a striker for Barry...)
Also he could be OK for vs. weaker teams only if they dont have pace in midfield but most of the PL teams has pace there and Barry would just struggle.
Also we are looking to press a lot, and Barry cant even run when we have possession he cant run and press opponent when we dont have the ball all the time.

So pretty sure Pellegrini has many reasons not to keep him and there is the financial side also, at least 5 m wages for him and then he could leave free next season.
Given the fact Pellegrini doesnt fancy him at all, its a good decision to sell him now and maybe get a small fee for him as well as save his wages.

Mancini wanted a strong midfielder last year too, like De Rossi who would easily put Barry on the bench for most matches, we only got Garcia so Barry's chances were always going to be limited.
 
Its not just lack of foot pace his brain is now shot e.g. the ridiculous own goal at Southampton the brain could not get the message to the decrepit legs resulting in a tap in goal. Another example was the lazy sloppy hospital back pass in the cup final, Zaba instantly read it thus, if they get past me we are toast, take one for the team & I might get lucky with the ref. & only yellow.
The PL teams now know his game & realise that his first, second & maybe third ploy is to pirouette on the right leg turn round & pass the ball back to Lescott or Kolarov slowly, so their players can meander back & get ten men in their own half.
It should also be noted that he is developing the old " legs gone " syndrome whereby when an opponent of mediocre pace takes the ball off him he kicks their legs from under them, obviously, from behind, yellow card. then next time.
For mine he is well past the sell by date & if we can offload so be it.
Amazingly in an interview recently he said he was playing better than ever now & could not understand why he was not in the England squad.
 
certainly a little slow for top opposition imo now.

if we're keeping him then domestic cups and the likes of hull at home (no dis-respect to hull).

champions league is a big big no no for gareth now.
 

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