Gas & Electricity


50 Ships hanging about Europe, each full of LNG but nowhere to discharge it. Some gasification facilities being hastily put together, as LNG needs heating to turn it into gas. Storage at 90% or more.
Incidently, the poster who blamed Brexit for any UK energy problems (in the Ukraine thread) was talking rubbish. UK energy relationship with EU, including access agreements, unchanged by Brexit, at least until 2028.
Germany now suggesting a completely new regime for EU energy market. Quelle surprise.
 
Anyone else with EDF? They credited our bank with the government money instead of our account, im sure they said they weren’t going to do that. Dangerous game that lots will spend it on other things
We're with EDF, still not had anything yet.
 
The £66 quid literally covers our bill at the moment as we're on a decent fixed rate for another 12 months.

We've been putting the cash they'd normally have from us into our savings accounts as we're already a couple of hundred in credit.
I’ve stuck it back in so we can just start using stuff as we see fit, if it’s cold and we get in off a walk I’m banging it on we can afford (luckily) fuck it
 
I guess one more week and then people will get some indication of where their bills are going to sit, for many people they may have put the heating back on for a few days for the first time in months.
 
They won’t fall at home though because they buy them a year in advance, what it should mean is that next year they should plummet

That’s not the case (or at least shouldn’t be). The European gas market is priced against spot TTF (the chart was spot TTF which is the dutch natural gas benchmark delivery “today”), so we should see the benefits of lower TTF at next price fixing. Cheaper gas also means cheaper refining costs so we should see a reduction in petrol and diesel prices as well. As every silver lining has a cloud it’s worth noting these prices are still many magnitudes higher than historical TTF prices so costs will still be high to us, but possibly not as bad as feared.

I think the reasons he gave for the price reduction missed a bigger cause, although certainly Russia’s weaponising of gas against Europe has not had anything like the impacts Putin planned. China has been pulling in huge amounts of cheap nat gas from Russia (they won’t disclose how much) but it has the consequence of reducing their demand from other sources which has in turn lowered prices for rest of the world. So despite the initial panic and fear from markets and Putin’s held belief that Europe would come running his invasion has only actually succeeded in making Russia a significantly poorer pariah state.
 

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