General Election - 4th July 2024

Who will you be voting for in the General Election?

  • Labour

    Votes: 266 56.8%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 40 8.5%

  • Reform

    Votes: 71 15.2%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 28 6.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 51 10.9%
  • Total voters
    468
inbetween said:
The fact that you mentioned your kids going to top universities is very relevant because most kids don't go to top universities, that is an exception. Another level above that are the Oxbridge universities where even academic ability is irrelevant.

What you're talking about is privilege and access to privilege. Isn't that something that we should be driving out of the system? It's not really an argument that a degree should be a competitive tool as opposed to an actual piece of usable education. This is the lie that is sold, you will get a great job by going to university, it's not true. Imagine if fees were free and we the taxpayer were literally paying to supplement this lie.

Obviously the fault lies in me for not doing well enough but we're talking about average and not the dreggs at the bottom. The average kid goes to university, comes out and doors are just not opened by default. I certainly did not rub with the highest echelons of society (except over 10 pints maybe!).

My argument is that I probably shouldn't have bothered for these reasons. I left university with a 1st degree in engineering and I couldn't get a mid-level job, I had to start at the bottom. Many others I know were in the same boat, some left and had to get jobs in totally unrelated industries where you have to say what was the point?
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I come from Newton Heath. Left school with no qualifications. All my mates are either dead, in prison, smoking crack or selling drugs, just like most of the people in Newton Heath.
I was lucky enough to drag myself up and get myself to uni at 31. I left with a 1st in Electrical & Electronic engineering. I now have a decent job and live in a pretty little village near Glastonbury. Going to university and getting a degree was the best thing that ever happened to me. It opened doors which most people from my background don't even get to knock on.
A degree does not guarantee you anything in life, but it definitely gives you a leg up. I get the impression you seem to think that you should not have to start at the bottom with a degree. All a degree shows it that you are able to work to a certain level. It does not prove that you can do a particular job. I am not sure why you think that you should not have to start at the bottom.
When you have nothing, the bottom rung of the ladder is a major achievement.
 
My last day on this thread. Some belting contributions but anyone else ducking out for reasons of staying sane with a decent blood pressure.
The actors gaming the endless photo shoots with shit messaging as if there doing us proles a big favour.
Where the fuck have these bastards been for years….who actually buys the ‘look at me I’m a normal man of the people and will make life better for you’ routine.
I would have more respect for Sunak if he took us on a tour of the assets he has garnered whilst pissing all over us.
 
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