General Election - 4th July 2024

[Nellies left peg]

It’s Vine who does my skull in

I quite like Tom Bradby , he can be a sarky fucker at times

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It's gonna happen. Labour will do fuck all and we'll get an even more right-wing government.

If that’s the way it goes, it will mean that others have failed to adapt to the nature of global politics.

And whilst people stick to ideologies rather than holding their nose, how can we complain?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Tbf it kind of feels like the Reform vote will be mainly a Tory voters protest voting?

I think there will be a lot of people who used to vote for labour. Those people then voted conservative because of brexit and are now voting for reform

 

[MillionMilesAway]

11k is huge for reform in Sunderland as a new party surely?

It's not new though, it's the Brexit party rebadged. The Farage party.

Last time - Labour 16k (so up 2k, I think)
Con - 13 k (down 7k this time)
Brexit - 6k (up 5 in the new name)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Reform played the ‘they’re all the same’ card and that’s the most effective tool they used.
Farage also dominated the media campaign and social media is awash with Reform bots.

 

[inbetween]

I think you need to spend a bit more time listening to Reform candidates and also studying the history of how far-right movements have risen in democratic nations. And perhaps consider that your own political beliefs may cause you to see Reform as more moderate than it actually is.

If you would like to see some modern parallels, read up on Marine Le Pen’s and the National Front/Rally’s rise in France.

I do see Reform as somewhat moderate in some areas but yes extreme in others. I'm not willing to say Reform is far-right as in absolutely everything about them is essentially Nazism because that isn't true. I do not agree with their immigration policies but I just don't see the problem with some of their other policies. That doesn't mean I'm a far-right monster.

I can understand why people have voted for them but it's not because they're Tommy Robinson supporting thugs. This is why I'm saying there is no rise of the far-right. I don't see a rise in Nazism or extremism from the people I talk to, many of which I know have voted for Reform.

Le Pen hasn't risen anywhere, she has united the right in France and that's about it, 50% of France did not vote for Le Pen. It's the reverse of the UK, the right is split and the popular vote will show that the country is essentially split right down the middle. It's not like the right didn't exist before, it has always existed and that led to sequential Tory majorities but now it has split in half.

Inversely to what you have said, if you sit on the left then of course you will perhaps think that my political views are on the right.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Reform.13% of the Sunderland vote, disturbingly high.

The biggest worry with Sunderland is that Sunderland has seen the smallest rise in migrants living there than anywhere else, and it was a very small number to start with.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I think there will be a lot of people who used to vote for labour. Those people then voted conservative because of brexit and are now voting for reform

People of low intelligence who don’t like foreigners , if we are honest.

 

[blue whippet]

I have an intense dislike of Rees Mogg, amongst others but I really don't like him, his voice and everything that spews out of hisoith.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Somewhere around 25% of the vote by my mental calculation. Frightening. And just over a 50% turnout, which is depressing.

About the same turnout as 2019, I think. Winning with 18k, 16k last time.