General Election - 4th July 2024

Who will you be voting for in the General Election?

  • Labour

    Votes: 266 56.8%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 40 8.5%

  • Reform

    Votes: 71 15.2%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 28 6.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 51 10.9%
  • Total voters
    468
SkyBlueFlux said:
A lot of the margins are very fine here, it only needs to be out by a few % on the Reform vote to halve that number.
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Bet365 odds on the number of Tory seats being over 99.5 have drifted from what I think was 1/9 earlier to 1/7. Only a slight drift but it could be an early indicator that the exit poll prediction of 131 Tory seats was perhaps on the generous side.

Edit: Those odds are now 1/5.
 
Eccles Blue said:
At least if he were their leader you’d feel they were not going back to being the lying, two faced, cruel, disgusting people they are.
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Strong language, Ms. S., usually doesn't get stronger than "southern softies" for Arsenal players!

(Whatever would you say about Donald Trump?)
 
Ptolemy's Hairdo said:
It's been the issue for several years. People pin our woes on it. If life gets better, they may ease off.

Still I would say some of the electorate now has it as the core of their political identity.

People do need to chill out a bit. TBH most of these people need cheering up and bringing back into the light, rather than being given a rash and disputable label by us randoms on the net who seem to ignore that we've always known part of the population won't get off the stool if they can make this the issue.

The parties had effectively dealt them out of mainstream politics. Social Media and the turning of time means that is no longer the state of play. These people used to report as disilliusioned and ignored by the debate. They've got back in, now they have their back up. The media won't give them up - they are viewers, consumers. Just mentioning them gets "our" backs up, causes anxiety which keeps us lapping up any and all reports.

People who would wish them quietly shuffled out of the pack - who believe they are unable to stop wasting our time and preventing effective policy and government - perhaps we really need to get used to their presence and start to politely ignore them.

After all, how long can we go on saying this is a new thing?
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The immigration argument itself is actually an easy one. If we want a growing society then we need people and the fact is we're not having enough kids so of course immigration is necessary.

So immigration is not really the problem, this actually boils down to other questions which aren't readily resolved for example national identity and what that means. This itself then becomes a question of political identity as much as national identity.

It isn't going to go away and no it isn't a new thing, however for many people it's going to remain important to them. The UK is not unique because the same sentiment can be found in varying degrees across Europe and the US.

Whether Labour needs to or should account for this sentiment is another thing. With their newfound majority they're obviously well within their rights to ignore it.
 
SebastianBlue said:
As I and many others have said for many years now, government should be boring.

It should be where exceedingly dull but earnest, knowledgable, and honourable people carefully consider the costs and benefits of various policies and programs, along with their constituents general wishes, and then make educated, deliberate decisions with a view of continual assessment and modification, if needed. Accountability and conscientiousness should be the touchstones, and words should be carefully considered and revered as the ultimate power. It should be human-centred and inclusive. We, as citizens, should not be entertained, just informed and engaged, constantly looking to hold our leaders to account, regardless of political affiliation.

The current fervor to constantly put on a show for views and clicks is as much on us as it is on the politicians, as they wouldn’t do it if we didn’t respond in a way that benefits them.

Let’s Make Government Boring Again.
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And on cue Channel 4 begins discussing the lack of charisma among the Labour leadership.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
She's really not good being interviewed and never has been, but if she does a better job as Chancellor I couldn't give less of a fuck. The proof will be in the pudding.
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I want people that give bad TV interviews but give us good governance.

We’ve had the opposite for a decade and a half.
 
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