General Election - 4th July 2024

[Claytop]

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Yeah even though PR works in countries all over the world you threw in good old America.

Nobody has ever convinced me it would be better than what we have but then I don't normally partake in politics. See you in 5 years and I can read it all again.

 

[roman totale]

Well done Britain. Shame about the Reform cunts, but overall a good night.

 

[meltonblue]

An unsurprising result.
But let's see a bigger picture for UK politics - Labour have a huge majority from 34% of a 60% turnout.
I take 2 things from that:
1) first past the post no longer works - it's hardly a ringing endorsement for Labour, whose vote share rose 2%!
2) people just don't trust politics in this country these days

Proportional representation is the only way forward, it provides a better representation of the vote and would likely encourage more to vote as they'd feel it could count for something.

(I voted Conservative in 2019, I voted Green this time around as they were the party telling it like it is)

I’ve always been an advocate for PR. Worth saying though, if we did have PR then we wouldn’t have had the vote count we did. There was a lot of tactical voting done and also labour and the Lib Dem’s deliberately targeting certain seats rather than shoring up their core ones.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Just done a quick calculation on vote share versus seats won, and translated that into how many seats each major party would've won under 'pure' PR (i.e., percentage vote = number of seats).

FPTP
Labour 411
Con 121
Reform 4
LibDem 71

PR
Labour 219
Con 154
Reform 93
LD 79

So under PR you'd maybe have the right-wing of the Tory party collaborating with Reform and the majority Labour government having to rely on the LibDems for support. As we saw in 2010, when the LibDems made a huge mistake in committing to a coalition, that doesn't make for good government.

The other what-if factor was that Reform was second in 9i constituencies. I might do the maths later for individual seats but let's assume that in 74 of those the Reform vote made the difference between the Tories losing and winning, and that 50 of those went to Labour, and 24 to Lib Dems. Assuming negligible Reform support, or no Reform at all, that would have made the final result (bar the 2 missing results):
Labour 326
Con 196
Lib Dem 53

Corrected - So the barest Labour overall majority of one.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Morgan owned by Investindustrial an Italian Private Equity group - I suspect BMW and Stellantis own all the others - the problem with the flag shaggers is that everything we used to make and made them proud has been sold off ( some more than once ) in the last 20 years or so car makers being a very visible example

Don’t think there’s a British owned one left :-(

 

[Eds]

Historic win though i believe :-)

Not heard that although I believe Starmer's father is a tool maker

 

[Eds]

Just done a quick calculation on vote share versus seats won, and translated that into how many seats each major party would've won under 'pure' PR (i.e., percentage vote = number of seats).

FPTP
Labour 411
Con 121
Reform 4
LibDem 71

PR
Labour 219
Con 154
Reform 93
LD 79

So under PR you'd maybe have the right-wing of the Tory party collaborating with Reform and the majority Labour government having to rely on the LibDems for support. As we saw in 2010, when the LibDems made a huge mistake in committing to a coalition, that doesn't make for good government.

The other what-if factor was that Reform was second in 99 constituencies. I might do the maths later for individual seats but let's assume that in 75 of those the Reform vote made the difference between the Tories losing and winning, and that 50 of those went to Labour, and 25 to Lib Dems. Assuming negligible Reform support, or no Reform at all, that would have made the final result (bar the 2 missing results):
Labour 326
Con 196
Lib Dem 54

So still a comfortable Labour majority but probably less than the outgoing Tory one.

326 gives majority of one! Without Reform it may have been a hung Parliament with Labour having the most seats.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

No it had a leek

Boom boom.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

326 gives majority of one! Without Reform it may have been a hung Parliament with Labour having the most seats.

Thanks. I only looked at the numbers for the major parties.