General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Chippy_boy]

1. Quite so, which is precisely what Boris has been saying in the run up to the no deal vote, and why it’s such a big deal that the rebels supported it. However, I don’t think an extension is such a fantastic prospect for the EU either. They’ll be looking at the opinion polls as well and they run the risk of ending up with a Boris government with a workable majority and this is a nightmare scenario for them. If Boris can present a plan which is acceptable to the Irish why not make this change and get a deal that makes sense to all parties.
2. Boris has focused on the backstop and was faced with an EU which was refusing to budge. If he can point to an agreement which removes the backstop he can present this as a win and probably rely on the vast majority of the Tory party wanting to come back together and deliver on the promise to Leave.
3. Remember a fair number of so called hard liners voted for May’s deal on third reading and there’s a group of 30 or so Labour MPs who want this done now and will vote for a deal regardless of what Corbyn wants.

Regards your point 3, that indeed is a very good point. The vast majority of Labour MPs can't stand Corbyn. They loathe him in fact. I wonder how many of them are thinking this incredibly difficult and volatile situation for the UK and all the political parties, whilst being an opportunity for Corbyn, could also be the end of him. I wonder how many of them would like to see the wizened old fool fall flat on his face so they could replace him with Keir Starmer or someone - anyone - infinitely more electable? He's responsible for keeping the Tories in power, and if he went, it could open the door for a Labour government. I can't imagine that to a man, they are all foursquare behind him.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think you might have missed something rather obvious: The UK isn't in Scandinavia.

Danish 300% car tax anyone? Do you think that would get much popular support here in the UK?

Oh, and by the way, your "manifesto" comment. Have you noticed how governments always adhere strictly to their manifestos? No, neither have I.

I’m aware of the geographical location of the country I live in thanks.

Scandinavia has extremely high living standards so we could learn something from them, instead of continuing down this road of rampant inequality.

Governments do stray from manifestos but for Labour to enact Communism on the UK they would have to change nearly every policy on there, of which a government has never done.

 

[The perfect fumble]

So what is factually incorrect in the above post?
Just for reference the FT guide

This nonsense again, I thought it was consigned to the deleted threads. Have you still not learnt what a 'context' is and how photos have to be understood within it? What does the context tell you here for example?

Evidence, Where is it?

Where's the Marxism in the 2017 manifesto? That's what they ran on, that's what they would have implemented.

Bring me evidence and we've a discussion, give me a picture of McDonnell standing in front of a banner with Karl Marx on it, and we have nothing.

As for...

? What does the context tell you here for example?

They could be ordering a pizza or planning to plant a bomb, I haven't a clue and neither do you.

 

[mcfc1632]

That's ridiculous. Your reaction, i mean. Even if the policy came to fruition, it will take a lot longer than 3 months to implement. So I wouldn't worry about your portfolio just yet.

However, you should realise that the Tories have also been discussing extending right to buy into the private sector.

And when you think about it, if you are going to have such a policy in the public sector, then the logical extension is in to the private sector too.

But, but, but their mine and i worked hard all of my life for my portfolio and i leveraged myself up to the eyeballs and it is my god given right to own 20 houses I hear you cry ...

Nope

You are totally wrong with the the first half of the last para

In fact you are just generally wrong, but the part I was concerned about was what I felt was his evasiveness about what would be the method of determining the purchase price

So I maintain that >6m people have every reason to be concerned should McDonnell become chancellor - just for this issue

 

[blueinsa]

Who was the leader of the Communist Party of Great Britain?

Milne.

For every Cummings you are faced with a Milne...

 

[Ban-jani]

Regards your point 3, that indeed is a very good point. The vast majority of Labour MPs can't stand Corbyn. They loathe him in fact. I wonder how many of them are thinking this incredibly difficult and volatile situation for the UK and all the political parties, whilst being an opportunity for Corbyn, could also be the end of him. I wonder how many of them would like to see the wizened old fool fall flat on his face so they could replace him with Keir Starmer or someone - anyone - infinitely more electable? He's responsible for keeping the Tories in power, and if he went, it could open the door for a Labour government. I can't imagine that to a man, they are all foursquare behind him.

How do you know, are you their shrink?

 

[George Hannah]

Who was the leader of the Communist Party of Great Britain?

I said 'leaders' ie important figures within the CP such as Corbyn's chief adviser Andrew Murray "After forty years in the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and then the Communist Party of Britain, he joined the Labour Party towards the end of 2016.[3][4] " “Britain’s Road to Socialism” – the 2011 revision of the Communist Party of Britain programme was written under his guidance. Read the links or check Wiki if you want to know about some of the others.

 

[blueinsa]

I said 'leaders' ie important figures within the CP such as Corbyn's chief adviser Andrew Murray "After forty years in the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and then the Communist Party of Britain, he joined the Labour Party towards the end of 2016.[3][4] " “Britain’s Road to Socialism” – the 2011 revision of the Communist Party of Britain programme was written under his guidance. Read the links or check Wiki if you want to know about some of the others.

Thanks George i got this guy mixed up with Milne.

 

[Ban-jani]

Milne.

For every Cummings you are faced with a Milne...

Was he?

I don’t know his life story but after a quick check online I cannot find anything.

For the record I don’t think he’s anywhere near as dangerous as Cummings who has a real dislike of our democracy and has broken the law.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I’m aware of the geographical location of the country I live in thanks.

Scandinavia has extremely high living standards so we could learn something from them, instead of continuing down this road of rampant inequality.

Governments do stray from manifestos but for Labour to enact Communism on the UK they would have to change nearly every policy on there, of which a government has never done.

We all know what McDonnell stands for. Insane levels of debt to pay for needless nationalisations. Tax hikes on everyone including the not so well off, mass strikes and general disruption.

Us voters - around 40m of us - are not voting for that bollocks.