General Election - December 12th, 2019

[SWP's back]

If he does stand candidates, they'll only subtract from the Tory vote,

You don’t believe there are any left leavers?

 

[i kne albert davy]

Policies? When he had them he swore he'd not read them. Vote first policies later, that's the Farage way.

If he does stand candidates, they'll only subtract from the Tory vote, If he thinks there's a ton of leaver votes in the north all he's do is split them with the Tories.

If he were true to his word he'd stand everywhere and fuck Boris for the Brexit traitor he believes he is.

Don't hold your breath.

Farage doesn't think there's a ton of leaver votes in the North, he know's right through Labours heartlands of the North West and North East. You really are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think he'll only take votes away from the Conservatives.

 

[mackenzie]

You don’t believe there are any left leavers?

There are lots of left leavers. Nijinskys Fetlocks made the mistake of thinking UKIP voters would only reduce Tory votes. You only have to look at Heywoods result a few years back.

 

[George Hannah]

Told you that would happen.

All going to plan for the Comrades, losing a hugely divisive contest of extremes and doing irreparable damage to our democratic institutions in the process. Creating the chaotic conditions for their next assault.

 

[Ban-jani]

All going to plan for the Comrades, losing a hugely divisive contest of extremes and doing irreparable damage to our democratic institutions in the process. Creating the chaotic conditions for their next assault.

We’re back to this again.

* sighs *

 

[George Hannah]

We’re back to this again.
* sighs *

Correct, a rerun of the 70s - very tedious but still very dangerous - remember a Mrs Thatcher at all? Not everything you read in the papers is untrue.

 

[moggymoz]

Correct, a rerun of the 70s - very tedious but still very dangerous - remember Mrs Thatcher at all? Not everything you read in the papers is untrue.

I do... She was a Great Leader.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I think there's two things driving this:

1. You'd have to be some kind of weirdo not to be sick to death of this whole thing. After 52% voted out, a good number of the 48% thought OK, I don't agree with this but it must be respected and we must get on with it. Whilst the non-appearance of the promised unicorn Brexit has no doubt caused some people to have changed their minds, most have not. And they are joined by people who are sick to death of it and who just want it done now.

2. The prospect of a Jeremy Corbyn - John McDonnell (@Rascal: aka Marxist John) government, really frightens the majority of people in this country. People who are centre ground, or slightly right of centre leaning. That is where the centre of gravity is. They may have voted for Corbyn as a protest vote in 2017, but no-one really gave him a cat in hells chance. An X against Labour was a better option than writing "Fuck Off" on the ballot paper. Now that X is serious, and the reality is, most people don't want Corbyn.

This made me smile as I did actually write Fuck Off on my ballot paper in 2017

FPTP tribal party politics is toxic and needs to go. People who are “dyed in the wool” Torres or from families that have voted labour “for generations” are seriously part of the problem

 

[The perfect fumble]

You don’t believe there are any left leavers?

There are left leavers, but they'll not vote for Farage.

If you're talking about traditional Labour voters who voted leave, and still very much want to leave, if there's a Brexit candidate on the ballot they might vote for them or they might vote for the Tory candidate, but that's not a vote Labour was going to pick up anyway, all it would do is split the Brexit vote, to the advantage of Labour or the Lib Dems.

That's why Farage wanted a clear run for his party in selected constituencies, while promising to not run candidates where the Tories were favourites to win.

We both knew the Tories were never going to play ball with Farage, hence his desperation today.

What he does now will be interesting, If Boris is forced to ask for an extension the hard Brexit clothes he stole from Farage will fall away, if Farage reclaims them crying Brexit betrayal and fields candidates across the country, he'll eat in to Boris's numbers and potentially let Corbyn in, or at the very least a coalition government, and all will have been for naught.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Farage doesn't think there's a ton of leaver votes in the North, he know's right through Labours heartlands of the North West and North East. You really are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think he'll only take votes away from the Conservatives.

Labour's lost leaver votes are already gone, if you're a northern leaver and leave is everything, you're not going to vote Labour, whether there's a Brexit candidate or not.

But if there is a Brexit candidate in your constituency, Labour's lost leavers have a choice, they can vote either Brexit Party or Conservative, hence Farage can only subtract, subtract from the votes the Tories would have got had there not been a Brexit Party candidate.

That is why Farage wanted a pact with Johnson, whereby the Tories and the Brexit party would agree to give clear runs for their respective parties in chosen constituencies, without a pact, all the two parties do is split their vote.