General Election June 8th

[Ricster]

Hardly a "wow!" Thing to say. Communism is just considered a strong flavour of socialism. I did use the term communist to exaggerate my point though I will admit.

I didn't say it had been good, it clearly hasn't but again it was mostly under Labour the things you've stated and Afghanistan is/was the right thing to do. The consequences of not reducing the Taliban's control would have resulted in far more innocents dying.

Yemen was too obvious to answer. With you on that one and the sooner we stop working with the Saudi's, the better.

No socialism is called communism by capitalists to keep the sheep following and living in fear.

 

[Ban-jani]

Of all the posts on here, that is a cracker.

The point with the name change, is keep up, at least have the latest info available, you know, in the here and now.

We are talking about the here and now except when talking about Corbyn and Abbott who both, according to you now have links with the IRA in their past however that is not your point. Your point being?

Ah, terrorism is now ok if it is part of a diplomatic process although Corbyn talking to a democratically elected British MP 30 years ago is heresy.

To think, if we had the people, resources and support to be able to do the job even better, however cutting 1000s of jobs and £££££s is considered efficient by DisMay and her mates. Utterly unbelievable.

The difference between me and you is that i will and find out the latest info, you can vote for 15 different parties and still have a tenuous grip.
As it happens, i have voted for other parties and have criticised Labour when needed. Even done it on here a few pages back. However yes you are right, i would never vote tory.

Do you think you using the latest name that they call themselves to move away from their past makes you look clever? Everyone on here will know them as the Taliban, hence why I used it.

I specifically said that it wasn't my point because it is outdated and makes no relevance to Corbyn and Abbotts policies on Islamic terrorism now. I thought that was quite clear but obviously you've struggled with that. I mentioned it because of your example, to highlight that it's no use using such outdated arguments.

My whole argument was around Corbyn's pacifism when answering questions about directly stopping terrorists in action.

The majority of the cuts aren't being made in this area though are they? I know your lot still haven't moved on from the 1970's but we use technology and it's not necessarily about having pure numbers on the streets, it's about having the highest skilled people to spot things online and having the best available tech to work smartly.

Don't vote for them, I don't care, they'll still be the majority government come the end of June, as people understand they're the best option we've got at this time.

 

[Ban-jani]

No socialism is called communism by capitalists to keep the sheep following and living in fear.

Living in fear from what?

How would you describe the difference between socialism and capitalism?

 

[Ricster]

Please spell it correctly, haha numb nuts, anybody disagrees with you is a physco fucking brilliant I know it's half term but this is ridiculous haha, let me guess moss side comprehensively educated ;-)

A typical right wing comment.
What the fuck does it matter where someone is educated?

By the way I was educated in Rochdale so this will allow you to dismiss my views on this topic because Rochdale being a scummy place I'm clearly not as educated as you are.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

No socialism is called communism by capitalists to keep the sheep following and living in fear.

Socialism is a form of communism, now I am not saying that socialism is a bad thing I am just saying that's what it is.

 

[smudgedj]

Living in fear from what?

How would you describe the difference between socialism and capitalism?

Neither is attractive if you want to get ahead and rise above the average.

 

[mcfc1632]

I can't disagree with your point. I agree that the current model is not sustainable in the long term and a different system is required. The idea of a refundable charge, for both GP and A&E attendance is is not unreasonable, and if your reason for attendance meets the criteria, your money is refunded. The point is though that this needs to be an NHS service, not a private service. We know what the Tory view is, I am not saying that paying is wrong, just that we need to pay the NHS, not Richard Branson.

The future provision of health and social services in the UK would be a worthwhile and very interesting thread in its own right - except you would get ill-informed idiots drowning out those that have experience and knowledge of the current model and the issues with it - simply because, IMO, their political bias cannot tolerate objective debate.

What Simon Stevens, or his future replacement, would wish for is that an authoritative body, let's say NHS England, would have the long-term (let's say 20 years) authority to develop and implement a new H&SC model free of the stupidity that comes from the interference of Conservative and Labour governments as they simply cannot leave it alone due to the need to use the NHS for political gain.

There has been so many changes in management levels / models / governance over the last 15 years - (under both Labour's and the Conservative's watch) a massive distraction from frontline services - and a distraction from the need to transform the service to what is needed in the modern world. People bang on in ignorance seeking to score cheap points - but you see very little debate on here about actually facing up to required changes. The H&SC services model needs fundamental transformation - not tinkering with by replacement governments every time we have a change - it is not 1948 anymore.

BTW, I agree with the spirit of most of what I have read in your posts - but you do overstate the position in your post that includes:

"Vote Tory and within 3 years Primary Care will be provided by Virgin / Compass / BMI / Spire............".

I am not denying the direction of travel you are suggesting - but 3 years to see........."Your GP will be employed by a company whose whole reason for existence is to make a profit......."

No chance - and I can say that with a good degree of authority

 

[Ricster]

Hardly a "wow!" Thing to say. Communism is just considered a strong flavour of socialism. I did use the term communist to exaggerate my point though I will admit.

I didn't say it had been good, it clearly hasn't but again it was mostly under Labour the things you've stated and Afghanistan is/was the right thing to do. The consequences of not reducing the Taliban's control would have resulted in far more innocents dying.

Yemen was too obvious to answer. With you on that one and the sooner we stop working with the Saudi's, the better.

That's the main point.
You used the word 'communist' to exaggerate your point.

Come on.

 

[mcfc1632]

And yet, when it was patently more expensive to carry on with PFI, a fact Osborne acknowledged in 2009 (as did Clegg in 2010), by 2011 he had green lighted another 61 PFI schemes costing £6.9B. I think he might have rebadged it PFI 2 in 2013 in an attempt to pretend it was something else.
Mind you, Teresa May thought Osborne was out of order by letting the Chinese get involved with building Hinckley Point nuclear power station, so much so she publicly said so. She then takes over as PM, says she wants to look at the deal all over again (I actually thought she might do the right thing) then she just says, yes it's fine let the Chinese build one of the most sensitive structures on UK soil. The whole lot of them (politicians) are duplicitous bastards.

I am not in any disagreement here. I was just pointing out that - without any shadow of doubt - it was Brown who acted to embed the use of PFI (essentially / actually mandating its use). This is simple fact.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Can someone debunk this video for me please? And if not why not?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Do you think you using the latest name that they call themselves to move away from their past makes you look clever? Everyone on here will know them as the Taliban, hence why I used it.

I specifically said that it wasn't my point because it is outdated and makes no relevance to Corbyn and Abbotts policies on Islamic terrorism now. I thought that was quite clear but obviously you've struggled with that. I mentioned it because of your example, to highlight that it's no use using such outdated arguments.

My whole argument was around Corbyn's pacifism when answering questions about directly stopping terrorists in action.

The majority of the cuts aren't being made in this area though are they? I know your lot still haven't moved on from the 1970's but we use technology and it's not necessarily about having pure numbers on the streets, it's about having the highest skilled people to spot things online and having the best available tech to work smartly.

Don't vote for them, I don't care, they'll still be the majority government come the end of June, as people understand they're the best option we've got at this time.

Dear me, i have no need to look clever, but educating you will help you in future, you're welcome.

He is not the only one who is uneasy with the foreign policy. Many people have come forward from those related areas of intel and policy making and said that they believe there is a link with what we do there has repercussions here.

I know your lot still haven't moved on from the 1970's, oh christ really lol.

I guess this fella has no idea and you are clearly in the driving seat with the up-to-date info you have.


He said this 2 YEARS ago, her answer.


She did not listen and now people are dead. Well done Theresa you stupid fucker.
Any person with a shred of dignity would have stepped down, not looked for re-election.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Can someone debunk this video for me please? And if not why not?

Can you put what he was saying into context, with the question some we can get a better idea?
In honesty do you think Jihadi Jez @H8TheLeft does not have agenda or would be happy to skew a point of view?
In fact be honest, you surely cannot think that is a credible site.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Can you put what he was saying into context, with the question some we can get a better idea?
In honesty do you think Jihadi Jez @H8TheLeft does not have agenda or would be happy to skew a point of view?
In fact be honest, you surely cannot think that is a credible site.

Well he said it, what can he possibly have meant by what he said? The site in question is twitter and I genuinely didn't know about this but it was in reference to the nationwide riots. Can you debunk it or is he as bad as the picture he painted himself? The poster of this video didn't make the video he/she just posted it regardless of their political persuasion.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Well he said it, what can he possibly have meant by what he said? The site in question is twitter and I genuinely didn't know about this but it was in reference to the nationwide riots. Can you debunk it or is he as bad as the picture he painted himself? The poster of this video didn't make the video he/she just posted it regardless of their political persuasion.

Regardless of their political persuasion? Really? Has the poster thrown up any interesting things about Muslims or Chinese or cars and any of the many many things we could talk about that are happening today on planet earth or is it just reams and reams of the same.
They are perfectly entitled to do that as anyone else is entitled to think the person is a crank.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Are you going to just answer the question? What do you think of him praising the rioters "Kicking the shit out of Millbank"? This is a genuine question posters might need to know what the shadow chancellors views are. OK I will ask you a question, do you share the view that the riots were a good thing?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

You seem to have no concept of what the question you are asking is. There was no nationwide riot, so you have that wrong. There were a number of demonstrations of which nearly all the Police themselves said passed off peacefully. You aren't Paxman fella. "Posters might need to know what the shadow chancellors views are" fuck me we could go town on that. I think most people are far more interested in what is happening now rather than a clipped video, with no context of the question the answer is framed in, from a video reporting on a student demonstration. The demonstrations were an excellent thing, the tories tripling education fees was an absolute nonsense. These students still have that debt. Was slinging a fire extinguisher wrong? Of course it was, the bloke was rightfully punished.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Of course I have concept (Perhaps I shouldn't have framed it as nationwide but there were riots-'protests' everywhere in the country) listen to him and then come back and answer the question. The words he used was "Kick the shit out of" and this person wants to be in government? Didn't he also say that he'd travel back in time to assassinate Thatcher and the IRA fighters should be honoured?
All roads lead to Rome on this one i'm afraid and no amount of defending could defend the indefensible. No wonder Labour are finished in this country.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

The thing is, there were not riots all over. Your persistent use of the word and then trying to use it as an interchangeable word for protest it not convincing anyone.
This is why i was asking for context. When you say you would eat a scabby horse, would you? When you say you could kill the wife? Would you? When you say you would slash some blokes tyres because you have had a row in a pub, would you? You seen the point of context now? So if you can get the question and the full answer, i will give a full answer, otherwise it is guesswork.
I have heard many people joke that the IRA lost a lot of support when they missed blowing the daft fucker up. There would have been far more rounds of applause than you can imagine if they had got her.
Sadly your roads lead nowhere apart from some deluded moron on twitter.
If you want to try and defend the indefensible on a current issue and the piss poor answer given by May to the copper in those videos above, have a watch. Then rell me you would vote for her.
Labour maybe finished in your head but i am not sure anyone gives a fuck.

 

[urban genie]

Can someone debunk this video for me please? And if not why not?

Why does it need debunking? the subject matter asked to him seems to look like he was asked about the student street protest and he gave a real assesment as students did smash up the area, so he described it in a normal way like anyone would, or would you like some robotic bullshit response.
Saying tapping into the passions of people protesting is not necessarly a bad thing either in the larger part. but then without the actual question and rest of his speach there is no real context to the clip.
Lastly having a spectator columist on the vid only shows that the clip is set for a certain narrative.


On the thatcher thing you will probably find 1000's (maybe even hundreds or thousands) of people who held or still hold the same sentiment she was universally despised by vast swathes of the country.

 

[m7mcfc]

Im indifferent I live in Salford so Labour will prevail. What matters more is what the home counties vote. From what I have read Eastern England is totally pissed off with the Tories.