George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

ChicagoBlue said:
Any cop being shot at, even with a taser, has the lawful ability to neutralize the attacker. I’m honestly surprised he wasn’t shot in the scuffle when he tried to get away.

Fighting with a police officer, who is wearing a deadly weapon, is stupidity in all its glory. The Officer HAS TO PROTECT THE WEAPON, or it is likely to be used against him. An officer who is being shot by a taser understands that being neutralized in almost certain death. “Anyone who would shoot a cop with a taser will shoot him with a gun” has to be the bottom line.

On George Floyd...we have seen him escorted out of his car to the wall. We have seen him being knelt on. What we haven’t seen is how he ended up in the floor by the side of the Police SUV when they were trying to get him in the back seat. Now, don’t ignore the fact that he is 6’5” tall and an ex-athlete, or the fact that two of the officers ran around to the curbside of the vehicle to help pull him into the SUV.

Floyd was no innocent party to what ensued up to that point. The Police were called because the shopkeeper said he was trying to pass a fake $20 bill. (BTW, that’s a Federal Offence, and a Secret Service matter, So it was going to go waaaay up the chain if it was true). Until he RESISTED in being put into the Police SUV, this was a no-brainer, “you’ve been copped, let’s sort this out downtown” matter. Once he resisted, and FOIR OFFICERS couldn’t get him into the SUV, they subdued him in the ground while they waited for back-up. Think about that, FOUR POLICE OFFICERS, two of whom were young, athletic rookies, couldn’t get one man into an SUV!!!

Now, the knee in the neck and ignoring the plea that he couldn’t breathe? That is abuse leading to death and the officers involved should be punished to the full extent of the law. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT!

However, where I do have a problem is the “blackwashing” (if I can use that term in this instance) of the FACTS of what led up to Mr Floyd being in the ground in the first place.

Indeed, he has been eulogized as a model citizen doing God’s work in the community (since coming out of prison for other offenses, including armed robbery!), but NO-ONE can say, with a straight face, that he wasn’t being sought for committing a federal offence, that everything was being done properly and safely, and that normal procedures were going long just fine until he began fighting being placed in the Police SUV.

When we see the video of the street side of the SUV when they were trying to put him in the vehicle, I think we might gain a much greater understanding of what the officers encountered and Mr Floyd’s actions in that regard.

Again, the knee on the neck, face ground into the asphalt, another officer kneeling in his back, etc, etc, etc...ALL UNNECESSARY POLICE BRUTALITY LEADING TO DEATH, and should be prosecuted as such.

No angels involved in this event, from A to Z. Sadly, an alleged criminal died because another one of them was a brutal racist with a badge, and he killed him.

I am a HUGE PROPONENT of de-escalation. That is not as easy in America as it sounds, because no-one knows who has a gun and who doesn’t. All the talking in the world means nothing if the person has a deadly weapon hidden on them, and is ready to use it, or is holding one and raises it.

I prefer police to neutralize that threat before it kills them...those are the rules!

“Normal” people don’t threaten the police, don’t fight with the police, don’t get themselves into these kinds of situations. COMPLY and let the system work, because non-compliance is a losing strategy, sometimes leading to death.

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America is fucked.
You will never sort out institutional racism or heavy handed policing while guns are the norm in society.

You need to unarm society and then the police.

It’s never going to happen.
 
MCFC1993 said:
There in lies the problem with law enforcement in America, if that's the way the officers are always going to think then that country is fucked.

He was running away, nowhere near a deadly weapon, those officers lives were never at risk. If he shoots the officer with a taser (not even been confirmed if there was any taser left) the other officer could have dealt with it before he got near a deadly weapon.

The issue with officers in America is they don't know how to de-escalate situations, they often do the opposite and that is just mental in law enforcement.

By my book it's simple, you shoot a man running away without a deadly weapon it's murder.
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Excellent post but I am not sharing my yoghurt with you. get your own ;-)
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
America is fucked.
You will never sort out institutional racism or heavy handed policing while guns are the norm in society.

You need to unarm society and then the police.

It’s never going to happen.
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The Raychard Brooks killing is another case in point - for way too long the authorities have considered sacking a police officer is a suitable bone to throw to the relatives and friends of the dead man - maybe with the odd suspension and resignation. But there is no justice in that for the dead person. The cop sacked or retiring probably has a half decent pension still paid to them. The sacked cop get another job in a neighbouring force. Its spitting in the face of those who are wronged - a sort of "there you go we have acted to deal with the issues you have with Policing"
 
Another clip here showing the scuffle



People are saying defund the police, I say give them more funds are proper training. A basic knowledge of grappling or jiu jitsu and they could of easily controlled this guy.
 
I feel sorry for some of those officers tbh. They're caught in the middle of a shitstorm at the moment. The George Floyd murder was disgusting and so have too many others, but some of these officers are so professional in the face of violence. Not all obvs !
 
In the case of Brooks - The DA has criticised the police officers actions so I guess they should’ve just let him go when he made a run for it. Resists arrest, steals your taser and then fires it at you... what an all around clusterfuck.

The whole incident just seems totally senseless. And why fire three shots? Can they not fire warning shots either?
 
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The problem in America is when the cops get into certain situations they don’t want to police they want to shoot. What is wrong with chasing that guy down? Why is the first thought to shoot? It’s madness. Taking a life should be the absolute last resort when other lives were in danger, which clearly isn’t the case, again, in this situation.
 
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