Matty said:There are many things said at football that, when looked at out of context, would seem far harsher than they actually are. The comments regarding O'Shea and his supposed sexual orientation differ from M*nich because, firstly they are false, and secondly they are said with a certain amount of jest involved. The m*nich comments aren't said with any ounce of good humour and can be directly related to an actual event. Also, and this relates slightly to your own point, the media don't print stories for the World to see about fans mocking who O'Shea likes to sleep with, they make a HUGE deal about M*nich chants (as the build up to last years derby will contest). Perhaps they shouldn't but, as long as it sells papers to United fans and the supposedly moral' element of society, they will do, we as City fans have no control over that. What we DO have control over (again, as demonstrated last year) is whether the chants occur in the first place. Don't chant and there's no ammunition, and the issue goes away.el blue said:Again you make good points, but (again this is simply my opinion) surely a homophobic chant about John O'Shea taking it up the arse is more offensive and causes more harm to the gay community than a ****** chant could ever cause anyone. If were going to be sanctimonious about ****** we should take the same line with everything.. and then you have to ask yourself what sort of sanitised experience you'd be left with.
Unfortunately that's how many, myself included, view Franny Lee, a saviour who failed to deliver.kippax88 said:unfortunetly i didnt get to watch them legends play. but i do remember lee being our chairman and fucking our club up with alan ball.. :(
bluefandk said:It really makes me sad, when I see some of our younger fans say, that they dont care about our history.
Frank Swift R.I.P
Blip said:2. Referring to rags as '*******' is not necessarily mocking the dead. If you're singing about runways etc. then yes you are celebrating death, and that is in poor taste, however I know a few blues who refer to 'Nitid and their fans as '*******' to deride the fact that ‘Nitid probably wouldn’t be where they are today without the plane crash and subsequent canonisation of the club on the back of a world-wide tsunami of public sympathy. It was without doubt the single most significant event that gatecrashed the club into the public conscience and catapulted them towards the fame and fortune that they have enjoyed ever since. I don't think that rags should be allowed to forget this fact. But I think that there is a big difference between calling a rag a '******' and singing the 'runway' song.
Matty said:bluefandk said:It really makes me sad, when I see some of our younger fans say, that they dont care about our history.
Frank Swift R.I.P
I can kind of see what they're getting at, but they're not expressing it particularly well. I was born in 1977 so Frank Swift and, for that matter, Summerbee, Lee, Bell, Doyle etc were before my time. All I have are stories from older fans and books/TV clips/Internet pages to inform me of the 'good old days'. It's not that I don't care about those times, they are integral to our history and our current situation, it's just they don't resonate with me. I didn't experience them so I can't get too emotionally involved in them. You respect the players, and the times, but that's as far as it goes. Put it this way, talent and achievement wise there's no comparison but, if I were to bump into Mike Summerbee in the street it would be a pleasant surprise, if I was to bump into Shaun Goater I'd be a nervous giggly teenager all over again, get tongue tied and probably embarrass myself by saying something all star struck and, in hindsight, idiotic! It's all about the personal experience for me and, unfortunately, I didn't get to experience the trophy era. At least not the last one anyway!!
Matty said:bluefandk said:It really makes me sad, when I see some of our younger fans say, that they dont care about our history.
Frank Swift R.I.P
I can kind of see what they're getting at, but they're not expressing it particularly well. I was born in 1977 so Frank Swift and, for that matter, Summerbee, Lee, Bell, Doyle etc were before my time. All I have are stories from older fans and books/TV clips/Internet pages to inform me of the 'good old days'. It's not that I don't care about those times, they are integral to our history and our current situation, it's just they don't resonate with me. I didn't experience them so I can't get too emotionally involved in them. You respect the players, and the times, but that's as far as it goes. Put it this way, talent and achievement wise there's no comparison but, if I were to bump into Mike Summerbee in the street it would be a pleasant surprise, if I was to bump into Shaun Goater I'd be a nervous giggly teenager all over again, get tongue tied and probably embarrass myself by saying something all star struck and, in hindsight, idiotic! It's all about the personal experience for me and, unfortunately, I didn't get to experience the trophy era. At least not the last one anyway!!