Good Rape, Bad Rape, Not really Rape

[Prestwich_Blue]

Rape should really warrant a life sentence. In many ways it is worse than murder.

It's a lot more difficult to determine tho

So someone goes back to a girl's place with her after a night out and a few drinks. They start snogging and he gets her clothes off without any protest then she suddenly decides to keep her legs together. Or doesn't but decides afterwards she should have done and cries Rape.

It's her word against his and you're suggesting he should get life if the jury believe her?

 

[Halfpenny]

Clarke's comments were crass to say the least, rape is a despicable crime and there is no such thing as a rape which is not a serious crime. Not something you want to hear a Justice Secretary saying.

The plans to reduce the sentences are based on nothing but budgets. All it is is an attempt for the prison office to save money at the expense of letting a few potentially extremely dangerous criminals roam the streets. A poor policy.

 

[GStar]

I'm sure its already been said, but a 16 and a 15 year olds having consentual sex is technically 'rape', yet the consequences of that are far less than someone abducting, raping and killing a random person.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

People advocating mandatory life sentences for rape should consider the effect that will have on the rapist, in terms of what disincentive he has not to murder his victim.

In fact he arguably has an incentive to kill her as identification of him would be much harder and the sentence would essentially be the same in any event.

 

[lee-mcfc]

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[gaudinho's stolen car]

I was under the impression that what this Ken Clarke was trying to say is that offenders should be encouraged to plead guilty. This way the victim would not have to go to court and have their entire sex life dragged before the courts by QC's who know that vulnerable women will fold under pressure and drop the charges.

He is saying the only way to encourage these offenders to plead guilty is to make the mandatory sentences shorter. If a guy is looking at 20 years for rape he will plead not guilty all day long, and the victim will be dragged through the courts and be accused of being a slag. If the mandatory sentence is 10 years, he may consider himself lucky to only get that and plead guilty.

It's a horrible moral mine field that needs addressing.

 

[cyberblue]

I was under the impression that what this Ken Clarke was trying to say is that offenders should be encouraged to plead guilty. This way the victim would not have to go to court and have their entire sex life dragged before the courts by QC's who know that vulnerable women will fold under pressure and drop the charges.

He is saying the only way to encourage these offenders to plead guilty is to make the mandatory sentences shorter. If a guy is looking at 20 years for rape he will plead not guilty all day long, and the victim will be dragged through the courts and be accused of being a slag. If the mandatory sentence is 10 years, he may consider himself lucky to only get that and plead guilty.

It's a horrible moral mine field that needs addressing.

Unfortuantly most rapists get 3-6 years not many if any will be looking at 20 years

 

[117 M34]

I understand the point, and agree with the 15 year old argument.
However, I don't get the mention of date rape as if that isn't bad. I deffo think that should be classed as 'proper' rape and dealt with as so.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

I understand the point, and agree with the 15 year old argument.
However, I don't get the mention of date rape as if that isn't bad. I deffo think that should be classed as 'proper' rape and dealt with as so.

I think he tried using that as an example of the differences that a judge has to take into consideration. There isn't just date rape there's girl meets boy in bar he drugs her and takes her homeand rapes her to boy and girl on a date they go home it gets frisky but at the last minute says no. He carries on anyway.
Both examples of serious crime. But both with quite different circumstances.

 

[ernesto]

rape is rape, not i thought no meant yes. it should be a minimun 20 year prison term.

No it isn't.

yes it is you prat