That is a very good description of Mario lol.nijinsky's fetlocks said:andyhinch said:Just driven pasted his house, the black bin was out and some lights were on inside
The lights may be on,but there's nobody home mate.
I have some flowers and a thank you card if you could drop them off when you pass next.
I'm missing him already.
I haven't felt this distraught since Stan Ogden passed away.
Churchill123 said:what's the latest on this- is he actually going, or what.. keeping reading he's going but not sure if it's based on any facts at all?
sergiokun said:Churchill123 said:what's the latest on this- is he actually going, or what.. keeping reading he's going but not sure if it's based on any facts at all?
No facts mate
Papers claim he had goodbye party last night but he was in training today and Platt claims he will be in team tomorrow
Prestwich_Blue said:It's a fair question but the cash in or out is largely irrelevant and to get back what we paid for someone who really hasn't delivered on his promise is not bad. Plus there's a business decision to be made on a number of counts.bluenova said:Prestwich_Blue said:For a family as financially illiterate as yours it would be a (very lucrative) pleasure. ;-)
We paid £18m (€22m) on a 5 year contract for him 2.5 years ago. We amortise (write off to the P&L account) 18/5 (£3.6m) every year meaning we've written off £9m to date. This makes his net book value £9m. We calculate the profit on the sale price less net book value so if we get €24m (£20.5m) the profit we show, regardless of how Milan finance it, is £11.5m.
Don't like to be cheeky to a fellow Prestwich blue, but does it really make it a better deal because of the "accounting profits"? We still spent that money, even if it's been written off.
Given the up/down career he has had so far, getting more money than we paid for him is probably a good deal - but if you're paying £18m for a teenager then you're hoping he's going to be worth a lot more than that when you sell him. We could sell him for £10m and still make an 'accounting profit' - but it would be a travesty for a player who was one of the stars of the Euros last summer.
1) From a paying point of view we know what he CAN do but are we ever going to see him do it consistently?
2) Will he appreciate in value significantly? You could take a chance pre-Bosman but can't anymore. It's a bit like Deal Or No Deal but now the odds are in the player's favour.
3) We'd be looking at offering him a new contract or getting rid this summer as his value will start going down unless he delivers on the field (See 1)
4) FFP. We might need that profit to meet it.
5) We almost certainly need to sell before we buy. If we've got someone more reliable lined up it makes sense
andyhinch said:Just driven pasted his house, the black bin was out and some lights were on inside
My thoughts to tbh, should I leave a reath ?nijinsky's fetlocks said:andyhinch said:Just driven pasted his house, the black bin was out and some lights were on inside
The lights may be on,but there's nobody home mate.
I have some flowers and a thank you card if you could drop them off when you pass next.
I'm missing him already.
I haven't felt this distraught since Stan Ogden passed away.
BlueHalli said:Brendan110_0 said:Can't see him leaving, Platt says he staying, Mancini says he's staying. Do we have another 22 year old who's happy to play 4th choice lined up? Nope, doesn't make sense to let a player go so late with no replacement, Aguero has had problems this season, Tevez could get 'taken out' Whelan style then we'd be donald ducked.
I don't know another 22 year old with the potential he has, for me we'd be letting him go at the wrong time, wait another season.
The reason he doesn't mind being fourth choice is because he doesn't give a fook .
gordondaviesmoustache said:The term 'shirt sales' should be viewed in a metaphorical, not literal sense.
The battle to elevate this club has had to have been fought on a number of fronts. Some people seem to forget how much this club has struggled for column inches down the years, even after the takeover to some extent. In spite of being the 'richest club in the world' we were never taken seriously.
That has all changed in the last two years. Manchester City Football Club is now one of the most talked about sporting entities on the planet. Is this down to one FA Cup and one Premier League title? To suggest so displays a complete failure to understand how the modern, digital world operates.
We have become a big story, not in spite of the egos but because of them and Mario has been the biggest ego and the biggest story of them all. He has helped accelerate our global presence and consequently our status within the game.
The struggle to make this club stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Barca and Real Madrid, itself a notion that would have been met with derision only a short time ago, has to be fought beyond the playing arena, for better or worse.
Mario's contribution on the pitch has been fitful at best but in his own way he has helped as much as any other player in making Sheikh Mansour's vision for Manchester City a reality.
He has helped make City truly 'Massive'.
If your player sees out the contract, and leaves on a Bosman, they're worth nothing, so it is real. Because of that there is a reason to assume zero value at the end of the contract and therefore the idea that a player depreciates in value is correct. Most assets you buy depreciate. It's not some whimsical notion that only exists in football.bluenova said:I understand all that - and agree with each of your points which is why getting back our money is probably a good deal (although I suspect we'll replace him someone who costs more FFPwise).
I'm just suggesting that the £11m accounting profit isn't real. If we sold all our players half way through their contracts for what we paid for them we'd have a huge accounting profit, but in reality we'd have the same amount of money we started with :)
dave_blue12 said:gordondaviesmoustache said:The term 'shirt sales' should be viewed in a metaphorical, not literal sense.
The battle to elevate this club has had to have been fought on a number of fronts. Some people seem to forget how much this club has struggled for column inches down the years, even after the takeover to some extent. In spite of being the 'richest club in the world' we were never taken seriously.
That has all changed in the last two years. Manchester City Football Club is now one of the most talked about sporting entities on the planet. Is this down to one FA Cup and one Premier League title? To suggest so displays a complete failure to understand how the modern, digital world operates.
We have become a big story, not in spite of the egos but because of them and Mario has been the biggest ego and the biggest story of them all. He has helped accelerate our global presence and consequently our status within the game.
The struggle to make this club stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Barca and Real Madrid, itself a notion that would have been met with derision only a short time ago, has to be fought beyond the playing arena, for better or worse.
Mario's contribution on the pitch has been fitful at best but in his own way he has helped as much as any other player in making Sheikh Mansour's vision for Manchester City a reality.
He has helped make City truly 'Massive'.
Agreed
And why do bookies all drive limos?edtheblue said:Latest odds 1/12 to be a Milan player by end of transfer window,
For me we're a fair way off being truly massive and we're not quite standing shoulder to shoulder with Madrid and Barça. At the moment we're just getting ahead of the levels Wolfsberg and Deportivo did when they were winning titles in their respective leagues. We're catching up all the time but stadium, stadium size, attendances, sustained challenging for honours, sustained success, youth development, revenue generated and to a lesser extent media interest(because we have become quite big in this area)... aren't massive club status yet.gordondaviesmoustache said:The term 'shirt sales' should be viewed in a metaphorical, not literal sense.
The battle to elevate this club has had to have been fought on a number of fronts. Some people seem to forget how much this club has struggled for column inches down the years, even after the takeover to some extent. In spite of being the 'richest club in the world' we were never taken seriously.
That has all changed in the last two years. Manchester City Football Club is now one of the most talked about sporting entities on the planet. Is this down to one FA Cup and one Premier League title? To suggest so displays a complete failure to understand how the modern, digital world operates.
We have become a big story, not in spite of the egos but because of them and Mario has been the biggest ego and the biggest story of them all. He has helped accelerate our global presence and consequently our status within the game.
The struggle to make this club stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Barca and Real Madrid, itself a notion that would have been met with derision only a short time ago, has to be fought beyond the playing arena, for better or worse.
Mario's contribution on the pitch has been fitful at best but in his own way he has helped as much as any other player in making Sheikh Mansour's vision for Manchester City a reality.
He has helped make City truly 'Massive'.
ColinLee said:I've not been through all 18 pages so apologies if it's been mentioned but it occurred to me this morning before the new reports coming out that it's gone very quite on the John Guidetti front. I'm thinking he's going nowhere as he's now our 4th striker replacing Mario.
dave_blue12 said:gordondaviesmoustache said:The term 'shirt sales' should be viewed in a metaphorical, not literal sense.
The battle to elevate this club has had to have been fought on a number of fronts. Some people seem to forget how much this club has struggled for column inches down the years, even after the takeover to some extent. In spite of being the 'richest club in the world' we were never taken seriously.
That has all changed in the last two years. Manchester City Football Club is now one of the most talked about sporting entities on the planet. Is this down to one FA Cup and one Premier League title? To suggest so displays a complete failure to understand how the modern, digital world operates.
We have become a big story, not in spite of the egos but because of them and Mario has been the biggest ego and the biggest story of them all. He has helped accelerate our global presence and consequently our status within the game.
The struggle to make this club stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Barca and Real Madrid, itself a notion that would have been met with derision only a short time ago, has to be fought beyond the playing arena, for better or worse.
Mario's contribution on the pitch has been fitful at best but in his own way he has helped as much as any other player in making Sheikh Mansour's vision for Manchester City a reality.
He has helped make City truly 'Massive'.
Agreed
TGR said:The sooner he is gone the better for all concerned.