MikeF
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Wallace was an annoying prick.
Back to being a greengrocer then.
Back to being a greengrocer then.
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Gregg Wallace
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pride in battle
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What did he say though ?I don’t like Torode but based on what I’ve read and understand this is wholly disproportionate and unfair.
There is a world of fucking difference between a campaign of innuendo and wholly inappropriate comments over a sustained period which has caused a large number of people to feel upset, uncomfortable and worse, and a single incident where the recipient appears to only be mildly bothered by it.
This constant virtue signalling is not healthy and a less forgiving society is not necessarily a better one overall.
Every case is different and it seems to me that Torode has ultimately been sacked for the sins of Wallace.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Something doesn't add up.
In one paragraph, he has "no recollection" of the incident, then in a later paragraph he says, "I apologised immediately afterwards".
Extracts from the BBC article (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8j1vzngdjpo)
On Monday, the TV chef said he had "no recollection" of the incident, adding: "I do not believe that it happened."
In an Instagram post on Monday, Torode revealed he was the subject of an allegation of using racist language, upheld as part of an inquiry into separate allegations against Wallace.
He said the allegation was that he made the remarks in a social setting in 2018 or 2019.
He added that the allegation included that the "person I was speaking with did not believe that it was intended in a malicious way and that I apologised immediately afterwards".
In one paragraph, he has "no recollection" of the incident, then in a later paragraph he says, "I apologised immediately afterwards".
Extracts from the BBC article (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8j1vzngdjpo)
On Monday, the TV chef said he had "no recollection" of the incident, adding: "I do not believe that it happened."
In an Instagram post on Monday, Torode revealed he was the subject of an allegation of using racist language, upheld as part of an inquiry into separate allegations against Wallace.
He said the allegation was that he made the remarks in a social setting in 2018 or 2019.
He added that the allegation included that the "person I was speaking with did not believe that it was intended in a malicious way and that I apologised immediately afterwards".
gordondaviesmoustache
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I don’t know that, but I’ve assumed it was mildly racist rather than nasty or malicious. That certainly seems to be the flavour based on the putative reaction of the recipient. Sacking someone for a single, mildly racist comment where no criminal offence has seemingly been committed is OTT personally. People say inappropriate things in the workplace. It doesn’t mean they should lose their jobs for a single such instance, when there are alternatives available.What did he say though ?
Also the passage of time since the incident, some seven years, should be another factor.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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I don’t know that, but I’ve assumed it was mildly racist rather than nasty or malicious. That certainly seems to be the flavour based on the putative reaction of the recipient. Sacking someone for a single, mildly racist comment where no criminal offence has seemingly been committed is OTT personally. People say inappropriate things in the workplace. It doesn’t mean they should lose their jobs for a single such instance, when there are alternatives available.
Also the passage of time since the incident, some seven years, should be another factor.
BBC article says "an extremely offensive racist term".
Marklr
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It's all over reactions now because of how the BBC handled Savile.I don’t know that, but I’ve assumed it was mildly racist rather than nasty or malicious. That certainly seems to be the flavour based on the putative reaction of the recipient. Sacking someone for a single, mildly racist comment where no criminal offence has seemingly been committed is OTT personally. People say inappropriate things in the workplace. It doesn’t mean they should lose their jobs for a single such instance, when there are alternatives available.
Also the passage of time since the incident, some seven years, should be another factor.
Eccles Blue
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I'm not that surprised about either of them, Torode slightly surprised maybe but what bothers me is that the BBC who for all of my life I have thought/felt was the arbiter who upheld standards and was the leading light in truth and integrity has become this shady organisation.
I guess I am too old fashioned and naïve because I expect certain standards of behaviour in certain areas.
Although I wholeheartedly agree that Wallace should have been sacked a long time ago I am now beginning to feel that this is just the tip of the iceberg and another institution is starting to crumble around us.
I guess I am too old fashioned and naïve because I expect certain standards of behaviour in certain areas.
Although I wholeheartedly agree that Wallace should have been sacked a long time ago I am now beginning to feel that this is just the tip of the iceberg and another institution is starting to crumble around us.
gordondaviesmoustache
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That’s subjective and I think it’s likely the person who wrote that was white. And it depends in the context.BBC article says "an extremely offensive racist term".
I’ve got black friends who aren’t remotely offended by certain terms and others who are bothered by exactly the same one.
I’m happy to revisit my view (as ever) if I’m provided with more particulars than what some **** at the BBC decides is extremely offensive to them.
I’m sure it will come out in the wash.
It does add up.Something doesn't add up.
In one paragraph, he has "no recollection" of the incident, then in a later paragraph he says, "I apologised immediately afterwards".
Extracts from the BBC article (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8j1vzngdjpo)
On Monday, the TV chef said he had "no recollection" of the incident, adding: "I do not believe that it happened."
In an Instagram post on Monday, Torode revealed he was the subject of an allegation of using racist language, upheld as part of an inquiry into separate allegations against Wallace.
He said the allegation was that he made the remarks in a social setting in 2018 or 2019.
He added that the allegation included that the "person I was speaking with did not believe that it was intended in a malicious way and that I apologised immediately afterwards".
He says he doesn’t remember, but the allegation is that he said something and apologised, which means that even though he doesn’t remember anything about the incident, at the time he must have recognised that he said something bad.
So well and truly stitched up.
Even worse that the person said it wasn’t meant badly, why say anything then.
Farcical.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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That’s subjective and I think it’s likely the person who wrote that was white. And it depends in the context.
I’ve got black friends who aren’t remotely offended by certain terms and others who are bothered by exactly the same one.
I’m happy to revisit my view (as ever) if I’m provided with more particulars than what some **** at the BBC decides is extremely offensive to them.
I’m sure it will come out in the wash.
Massively subjective and contextually significant. Having said that there are probably a few words and phrases that are an absolute no-no in any public setting.
No doubt what he's reported to have said will be on Twitter or Facebook somewhere..
LangleyBlue1970
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How to look like you’re morally covering up past horrors, like Savile and Harris, without saying you’re morally up past horrors like Savile and Harris.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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It said he apologised 'immediately afterwards'.It does add up.
He says he doesn’t remember, but the allegation is that he said something and apologised, which means that even though he doesn’t remember anything about the incident, at the time he must have recognised that he said something bad.
So well and truly stitched up.
Even worse that the person said it wasn’t meant badly, why say anything then.
Farcical.
Yes. He is alleged to have said something and to have apologised immediately afterwards, He doesn’t remember the incident.It said he apologised 'immediately afterwards'.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Remembers apologising for something he can't remember happening? Seems a bit oddYes. He is alleged to have said something and to have apologised immediately afterwards, He doesn’t remember the incident.
He doesn’t remember apologisingRemembers apologising for something he can't remember happening? Seems a bit odd
The allegation says he apologised.
If you're getting your cock out in the workplace, you deserve to be sacked.
If you're getting your cock out in front of women thirty years your junior, when you occupy the position of power in the room, you're assuming an abusive position and deserve to be sacked.
I have no sympathy for this guy whatsoever.
If you're getting your cock out in front of women thirty years your junior, when you occupy the position of power in the room, you're assuming an abusive position and deserve to be sacked.
I have no sympathy for this guy whatsoever.
Citizen of Legoland
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I’m going to be honest but I apologise to the wife for things I don’t remember all the time. ;)Yes. He is alleged to have said something and to have apologised immediately afterwards, He doesn’t remember the incident.
Alan Harper's Tash
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He claims he doesn’t remember the incident.Remembers apologising for something he can't remember happening? Seems a bit odd
He’s subsequently spoken with the person it happened with and they suggested that it did happen and that Torode immediately apologised, so that is now what he thinks happened.
Nail on the headHow to look like you’re morally covering up past horrors, like Savile and Harris, without saying you’re morally up past horrors like Savile and Harris