Grenfell Tower block disaster

[roj]

I'm sure it's likely there were, but to "families of 12"??

That's unlikely. Quite rightly he was calling on people to not politicise the thread but maybe another agenda that should be left out of this is the lazy stereotyping of so called benefits scroungers as well.

He's basically implying that someone who is potentially still missing or worse is a criminal. That's out of order and in terrible taste. If it was one of us, banned

40ish flats in our block. 2 bed flat next door rented by a couple but now sublet to 6 people (not a family if you want to be pedantic. Some 4 bedroom flats in that tower... 2x6=12 if I want to be pedantic). Council records would indicate police or whoever should be looking for two people if it happened here.

Perhaps, if you really wanted to you could accuse @cleavers of being a bit sensationalist by suggesting the possibility that from a single flat there could be 12 more people dead instead of 1.

Have a nice brew or a spliff or something mate.

 

[mekonmcfc]

As i said earlier, it looks like to me that they haven't used the correct Fire-stopping between the floors. If they did it would likely to be contained to the one flat. If the correct one was used it would starve the fire of oxygen. The insulation that was used is fit for purpose if all others aspects are installed correctly.

 

[kaz7]

The number of people confirmed dead after the Grenfell Tower fire in west London has risen to 17.

"We do believe that that number will sadly increase," Met Police Commander Stuart Cundy said.

Earlier, London Fire Commissioner Dany Cotton said there were still "unknown numbers of people" inside the block.

Many people from the 120 flats remain missing, with relatives and friends desperately appealing for information.

NHS England said 37 people were still being treated in hospital, 17 of them in a critical condition.

Firefighters are working their way through the smouldering remains of the building's 24 floors.

Specially trained dogs are being sent in to look for victims. Ms Cotton said the benefit of using the animals was that they were "much lighter than people and they can cover a greater area in a very short space of time".

The core of the building is "structurally sound at the moment", she said, adding that the upper floors would be "more challenging".

 

[TCIB]

As i said earlier, it looks like to me that they haven't used the correct Fire-stopping between the floors. If they did it would likely to be contained to the one flat. If the correct one was used it would starve the fire of oxygen. The insulation that was used is fit for purpose if all others aspects are installed correctly.

There were multiple cases where safety equipment had been nullified for convenience. Fire doors being wedged open for example.

Regarding the material i researched it, they chose a cheaper version that used polyethylene, the next one up used a fire retardant mineral. Now the interesting bit i find is they made a profit last year of 5.4m if memory serves. They are not there to make profit but administrate the housing efficiently on behalf of the council and spend the money allocated well. What are they doing making a profit. Along with reports of head sheds essentially avoiding dealing with issues by making it hard to contact them i think there should be very severe penalties coming. From the reports one womans name comes up a lot, i will not name here here but read up a bit and you will see who one of the main incompetent members of management were/are.

Like usual it sounds like they cared more about the money than those it is meant to help.

 

[mekonmcfc]

There were multiple cases where safety equipment had been nullified for convenience. Fire doors being wedged open for example.

Regarding the material i researched it, they chose a cheaper version that used polyethylene, the next one up used a fire retardant mineral. Now the interesting bit i find is they made a profit last year of 5.4m if memory serves. They are not there to make profit but administrate the housing efficiently on behalf of the council and spend the money allocated well. What are they doing making a profit. Along with reports of head sheds essentially avoiding dealing with issues by making it hard to contact them i think there should be very severe penalties coming. From the reports one womans name comes up a lot, i will not name here here but read up a bit and you will see who one of the main incompetent members of management were/are.

Like usual it sounds like they cared more about the money than those it is meant to help.

The insulation used is suitable for the application IF everything else is installed correctly. Leaving a fire door open doesnt cause the spread of flame externally as was highlighted with this case. Looks like intumescent fire strips were missing

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

How the fuck does cladding cost £10M ?

 

[Dubai Blue]

How the fuck does cladding cost £10M ?

It didn't. That was the whole renovation. Think the cladding was something like £2.6m

 

[mancityvstoke]

Why ?

It is my opinion. I agree about elderly/disabled etc being on much lower floors too or in a lovely bungalow. Housing crisis in the UK does not allow this.

Regarding children in tower blocks for example if you are on floor 21 and you have a few or even 5 kids to get together to evacuate a building fast when it is burning down around you compared to a young fit person legging it down the stairs alone. Who is going to survive? Kids should be in a house but I understand that in London this isn't possible or in other places too. These old council tower blocks do not have the modern systems newer towers have.

Where do they play too?

In fact most blocks here in Charlestown the lettings policy is no children are allowed so the council thinks the same.

Again...this is entirely my opinion and I live in a tower block.

 

[Ban-jani]

My colleagues mum works right near it and they've got sleeping for bags and belongings for everyone in their offices.

She's just spoken to a young girl who's entire family are still unaccounted for, this is absolutely heartbreaking.

 

[Vic]

Also there is a lot of talk about sprinklers. I doubt sprinklers would have made a difference in this case. The fire took hold on the external element of the building and spread quickly on outside of the building where sprinklers wouldnt have made a difference. It would have been too intense once it got into other floors. That said I would expect all high rises to be sprinklered going forward.

Anyway i attended a talk on the Dubai fires you alluded to in the thread. I seem to recall that there was some luck involved with the wind direction in it not being as serious as it could have been

If it had sprinklers it would have been extinguished in the flat where it began.