Greta Thunberg

[blueinsa]

This is very much an alarmist statement not in keeping with scientific data

It goes hand in hand with cliff edges, economic meltdown, millions unemployed, no food on the shelves, planes not flying, no medicines world in which they live in.

 

[Ban-jani]

This is very much an alarmist statement not in keeping with scientific data

No it isn’t.

 

[Ban-jani]

Opinion challenged? By someone who clearly knows so little but shouts the loudest. No wonder you are the most ignored person on this forum. Adios Benjani.

Hahaha as if you have any idea.

Snowflake

 

[Damocles]

No it isn’t.

I disagree. To be honest mate, the VAR decision has properly enraged me so there's good chance that if I get into this now then I'll be offensive or generally just a dick so I'll catch up with it maybe tomorrow once I've calmed down.

 

[Ban-jani]

I disagree. To be honest mate, the VAR decision has properly enraged me so there's good chance that if I get into this now then I'll be offensive or generally just a dick so I'll catch up with it maybe tomorrow once I've calmed down.

Fair play

I’m equally appalled at that match and in a foul mood

Let’s bin this chat

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Ban-jani said: ↑
We are about to cause a mass extinction, if we don’t make massive changes to the way we live our lives and not wanting to put this as a priority is incredibly selfish.

This is very much an alarmist statement not in keeping with scientific data

I think we are already in what may be described as a mass extinction, but perhaps not what you have in mind @Ban-jani.
I think humans are most likely causing it but we would be one of the most likely species to survive.

Our planet is now in the midst of its sixth mass extinction of plants and animals — the sixth wave of extinctions in the past half-billion years. We're currently experiencing the worst spate of species die-offs since the loss of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Although extinction is a natural phenomenon, it occurs at a natural “background” rate of about one to five species per year. Scientists estimate we're now losing species at up to 1,000 times the background rate, with literally dozens going extinct every day.
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org...y/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

I do believe we are in for a cull however. There's two many people and life is cheap.

 

[Manchester33]

Greta is brilliant. There are tons of rich, white, European kids who just sit on their backsides and live within their comfort zones!

Greta is currently in the north Atlantic, sailing to New York to try and put pressure on government officials.

Say what you want about her, but she believes in the science that's available to all of us and she's actually doing something about it!

 

[hilts]

Greta is brilliant. There are tons of rich, white, European kids who just sit on their backsides and live within their comfort zones!

Greta is currently in the north Atlantic, sailing to New York to try and put pressure on government officials.

Say what you want about her, but she believes in the science that's available to all of us and she's actually doing something about it!

Well said sir

 

[Turks Head Again]

In wrestling fan circles we call this "cheap heat". Cheap heat is such a wonderful concept. Yet again, knowledge of the inner workings of professional wrestling perfectly explains current news events.

The purpose of a bad guy wrestler is to get the crowd against them so that the good guy gets cheers when he starts beating him up. The drama of any story cannot work unless you have a guy to root for and a guy to hope doesn't win. This is the same whether the story is a wrestling match, a game, a film, or a book. We all know the basic structure of any story - the good starts off weak and grows in power over the film until his world is turned upside down and he hits his lowest point where all looks lost to the bad guy and then he makes a dramatic comeback using the lessons he has learned during the film to overcome this obstacle and save the world/get the girl. That basic structure is so entwined into our psychology now that people even use it in their daily lives to justify their behaviours.

Anyway, the strength of any narrative comes down to how much we emotionally despise the bad guy. You can't have a strong good guy without an intensely disliked bad guy. If nobody cares about the bad guy then there's no threat so there's nothing to overcome for the good guy. Most people recognise this so then you get to the point of the matter - how do we make the bad guys really dislikeable?

There's a good way of doing it which actually good writers employ. This is by giving the bad guy a clear and consistent moral framework which you can see the logic in and all of his badness is a consequence of that system of beliefs. The Joker is a very good example of this in The Dark Knight. The hatred for the Joker from the audience came from his world view and all of the bad things that he did were a logical extension of that world view. He blew up a hospital but did so for reasons which made sense to him and outrages us. We call this good heat. Thanos was another example of somebody who had good heat or if you want to get a bit more complicated then Michael Corleone.

Another way of doing this, employed by hacks and terrible writers, is to just make the bad guy do lots of bad things or conversely make the good guy the saintliest figure in existence. They are bad because they do bad things. The go to example in movies is killing children, the elderly or animals. We have a visceral reaction to the act that they commit but not the motivations. There's no psychological underpinning to your dislike for the bad guy, you just like him because he did bad stuff. We call this cheap heat. When your bad guy has cheap heat then your good guy will never be as liked as they could be.

Back to Greta.

Greta is the perfect example of cheap heat. She's a young white European girl which makes her impossible to attack in any way without coming across as some sort of a monster. Her opinions don't matter, she has an automatic Get Out Of Jail Free card. She is good and virtuous because she is good and virtuous rather than having an internal consistency to her actions which can be debated or judged. If you try to judge her opinions as equally as you would do an adult then you're accused of bullying children.

This non-descript media friendly young girl has no good ideas. She is saying nothing revolutionary or different. In fact it would be fair to say that she's saying a lot of really stupid shit but she cannot be held to account for it in the same way as, say, Boris Johnson because of her inbuilt GOOJF card.

Her backers know this. They're not idiots. They've been using, promoting and funding children now for the last decade or so as a way of spreading their messages without discussion because disagreement is an act of victimisation, which is what I believe much of the modern left embodies philosophically.

She's no different from David Hogg or a million others. Another child with overly simplistic viewpoints being paraded around by the same old financial backers as a way of furthering their agenda without the intellectual honesty or discourse.

Excellent post.

 

[Damocles]

Greta is brilliant. There are tons of rich, white, European kids who just sit on their backsides and live within their comfort zones!

Greta is currently in the north Atlantic, sailing to New York to try and put pressure on government officials.

Say what you want about her, but she believes in the science that's available to all of us and she's actually doing something about it!

Greta is a manipulated young child who is saying the things that she has been taught to be true while her actual financial backers manipulate her for their own ends.

People think this girl is remarkable, extraordinary even. I agree, she is a unbelievable story. I mean that literally, this "Facebook post about a school strike to worldwide celebrity" is literally unbelievable to me so a while back I did some reading around her.

You'll be unsurprised to hear that her original Facebook post was actually put together by a PR agency as was the "school strike" that Greta "organised". Her mother is a famous opera singer and wrote a book about climate change. As part of the release marketing for that book, she used Greta and her other children in so called viral marketing posts and coincidentally the book that Greta's Mum wrote came out 4 days after the Facebook post received worldwide attention.

So how did the post about the school strike get so popular? There's a PR agency called "We Don't Have Time" which is an alarmist climate marketing agency dedicated to pushing these types of stories. It is owned by a man called Ingemar Rentzhog. Ingemar has previous ties to Greta's mother - he actually tried the same thing earlier with her other daughter Beata but it didn't pick up any traction. Ingemar is also the CEO of an activist thinktank called Global Challenge, a company owned and operated by a Swedish billionaire former politician called Kristina Persson.

Ok so who is Kristina Persson and why should anyone care? Apart from being a billionaire, Kristina Persson's main interest in life has been to attempt the dominance of Sweden throughout the Nordic world. She's one of those few Swedes who seems to believe that they're morally righteous people and world leaders; she's a weird left wing eco-nationalist vibe. Going so far as attempting to encourage US shale oil production in order to lower the price of oil to affect the Norwegian economy and make them "diversify their portfolio" (i.e. stop from being the richest Sovereign Wealth Fund in the world thanks to their oil revenues).

So what we actually have, is the child of a famous singer who is created and PR managed by an environmental agency funded by a billionaire who wants oil prices to drop in order to strength the Swedish geopolitical position in the Nordic countries and stop Norwegian prosperity in challenging economic times for Sweden.

Oh and that boat ride she took over to New York to "save on the air fuel"? The actual crew has to fly to New York to sail the boat back. It was a stunt, she saved nothing.

It's not all bad news now. Somehow Bea Thunberg has become a children's writer and her singer just like Mummy. And you'll never guess, in a million years, who she is ultimately funded by?

And remember the book that her Mum wrote that got all of this going? Here's what the cover was originally:

Now here's what it looks like in the recent editions:

Weird huh?