Here we go ...

pominoz said:
Bluebee2 said:
pominoz said:
Really?

As far as i know there is not one mention of him, during his supposed life time.

Please point me to where this "fact" can be verified.

Well if you can't accept that Jesus lived there is pretty much no point in an argument. It's a fact he existed as much a fact that the Roman's existed (you do believe in them), historians pretty much to a man accept that Jesus lived.

There is overwhelming evidence that Romans existed (physical evidence), non that JC did.

The first mention of JC was about 40+ years after his supposed death.
There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.

There are written accounts of his life and execution. jesus lived and that is a fact. Dawkins admits Jesus existed, I'm not here to argue any other point other than Jesus lived. See what he say's at 9.25 mins, he'll do for me !

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLRE_SIMMU[/youtube]
 
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As well as terrorist extremists. They use religion as a way if recruiting people!!
 
Bluebee2 said:
pominoz said:
Bluebee2 said:
Well if you can't accept that Jesus lived there is pretty much no point in an argument. It's a fact he existed as much a fact that the Roman's existed (you do believe in them), historians pretty much to a man accept that Jesus lived.

There is overwhelming evidence that Romans existed (physical evidence), non that JC did.

The first mention of JC was about 40+ years after his supposed death.
There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.

There are written accounts of his life and execution. jesus lived and that is a fact. Dawkins admits Jesus existed, I'm not here to argue any other point other than Jesus lived. See what he say's at 9.25 mins, he'll do for me !

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLRE_SIMMU[/youtube]

Nice editing ;)

There are written accounts of his life and execution from people that were not there, and that have a vested interest to spread the story of their Messiah.
Dawkins saying that JC may have lived (poor editing aside, what did they cut out of the clip?) does not prove as a fact that he did.
 
Ducado said:
pominoz said:
Bluebee2 said:
Well if you can't accept that Jesus lived there is pretty much no point in an argument. It's a fact he existed as much a fact that the Roman's existed (you do believe in them), historians pretty much to a man accept that Jesus lived.

There is overwhelming evidence that Romans existed (physical evidence), non that JC did.

The first mention of JC was about 40+ years after his supposed death.
There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.

If you are looking for Jesus you won't find him, but if you look for Joshua you may but it was a very common name

To be fair out of all the atheists on here you do your best at playing the fanatic I would suggest you are just a mirror image of everything you profess to hate

Does mod status give you supernatural powers of insight to other posters reasoning?

I am far from a fanatic, i merely ask for proof/evidence, of which none has been given.

People can believe what ever nonsense they want, as long as it does not interfere with other peoples rights to live as they please within the law. Also, that nonsense should be open to questions when stated as fact.
 
pominoz said:
Ducado said:
pominoz said:
There is overwhelming evidence that Romans existed (physical evidence), non that JC did.

The first mention of JC was about 40+ years after his supposed death.
There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.

If you are looking for Jesus you won't find him, but if you look for Joshua you may but it was a very common name

To be fair out of all the atheists on here you do your best at playing the fanatic I would suggest you are just a mirror image of everything you profess to hate

Does mod status give you supernatural powers of insight to other posters reasoning?

I am far from a fanatic, i merely ask for proof/evidence, of which none has been given.

People can believe what ever nonsense they want, as long as it does not interfere with other peoples rights to live as they please within the law. Also, that nonsense should be open to questions when stated as fact.

All I have to do is read what you post
 
Ducado said:
pominoz said:
Ducado said:
If you are looking for Jesus you won't find him, but if you look for Joshua you may but it was a very common name

To be fair out of all the atheists on here you do your best at playing the fanatic I would suggest you are just a mirror image of everything you profess to hate

Does mod status give you supernatural powers of insight to other posters reasoning?

I am far from a fanatic, i merely ask for proof/evidence, of which none has been given.

People can believe what ever nonsense they want, as long as it does not interfere with other peoples rights to live as they please within the law. Also, that nonsense should be open to questions when stated as fact.

All I have to do is read what you post

And i yours, the difference being i can not reply in the same way that you do, because of your reputation of wielding the ban hammer when posters disagree with your views.
I will leave it at that with you.
 
pominoz said:
Ducado said:
pominoz said:
Does mod status give you supernatural powers of insight to other posters reasoning?

I am far from a fanatic, i merely ask for proof/evidence, of which none has been given.

People can believe what ever nonsense they want, as long as it does not interfere with other peoples rights to live as they please within the law. Also, that nonsense should be open to questions when stated as fact.

All I have to do is read what you post

And i yours, the difference being i can not reply in the same way that you do, because of your reputation of wielding the ban hammer when posters disagree with your views.
I will leave it at that with you.

I have never banned anyone for disagreeing with me, I am surprised at someone who professes to want to see evidence would come out with such a statement, so can you show me the evidence otherwise apologise
 
first of all you have dismissed the idea of God immediately..."God is an idea", let me tell you I came to God through reason, I consider myself a man of reason and in no way should a Christian come to God in blind faith (as lovely as that is) but sadly most people, agnostic, Atheist and Christian alike neglect looking at the evidence and come to a conclusion, I do not have the space or time right at this moment to outline in detail why I believe in God through reason but I can lay a foundation but it will raise more questions.....first of all.....if I am to come to your way of thinking it would mean believing that the universe came from NOTHING, 40 years ago scientist believed the world was eternal now we understand that the Universe had a beginning 13 Billion years ago, well science tells us that....and take this is.....SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING, everything that exists HAS to have a cause....if I am to come to your way of thinking then I have to say, either I don't know or the universe just simply POPED INTO EXISTENCE....surely that can't be right! The universe by the laws of Physics has to have a cause, and that cause MUST transcend time, space and physical matter since whatever created the universe created these things, secondly the ordered universe.....How do you account for the complexity of the universe? The universe works mathematically, everything is ordered and appears designed for human life, th else's of physics Hang on a razors edge in order for human life to exist, look at the rate of gravity, the Earth distance from the sun, water on the planet, ozone layer, the moon hanging us on a tilt, all of this and much more if you changed by a hairs breath, human life could not exist....thirdly the law of morality and you touched on this, if God does not exist then OBJECTIVE Morals, values and meaning cannot exist, now by this that does not mean YOU do not hold these things of course you do, but if God does not exist the morals you have are simply in your head they are an illusion to the devastating reality that nothing is WRONG or RIGHT it is just a smokescreen, but Objective Morals DO EXIST, Rape is wrong weather anyone believes it is or not, kindness and Love is really right, moral values are written on the heart of every man, sure they can be disobeyed but they are there nonetheless, the Athiest is in a dilemma here, on one hand he said God does not exist so we are simply a mixture of atoms, blood guts, we are result of NATURE nothing more and so ultimately we mean no more than a swarm of Mosquitos, and so he says there is no Objective meaning to life, but then down the local boozer he immediately jumps out of that worldview and shouts at someone who said that he beat his wife up, and shouts....."That's Wrong!".....well I presume he wants everyone to feel that way and so is appealing to some Wrong or moral law that EVERYONE should indie by. One final note on the situation on poverty....it would be interesting to go back to the century and speak to the millions that believed legal slavery in the west was just a standard reality that would always exist....how wrong they were, man rose to that evil, poverty is a complete injustice and in time we will understand that more and more, since live aid 30 years ago the reality is coming to everyone's homes weather they like it or not.....the above is such a small version of the reasons behind the existence of God it is almost childish, if you havnt already you will find various lectures on YouTube or the Internet has great recourses or I as someone who takes this seriously as a committed Christian am happy to go into much more detail with any questions you have, all I will advise is that it is a journey, it took years of investigation to come to the conclusion that God exists, and Athiesm is seriously flawed and contradictory
 
Ducado said:
pominoz said:
Ducado said:
All I have to do is read what you post

And i yours, the difference being i can not reply in the same way that you do, because of your reputation of wielding the ban hammer when posters disagree with your views.
I will leave it at that with you.

I have never banned anyone for disagreeing with me, I am surprised at someone who professes to want to see evidence would come out with such a statement, so can you show me the evidence otherwise apologise

I was banned for calling BB.2 a troll, i thought it was you and have checked my pm's but it is not there.
If it was not you i apologise.
 
pominoz said:
Bluebee2 said:
pominoz said:
There is overwhelming evidence that Romans existed (physical evidence), non that JC did.

The first mention of JC was about 40+ years after his supposed death.
There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.

There are written accounts of his life and execution. jesus lived and that is a fact. Dawkins admits Jesus existed, I'm not here to argue any other point other than Jesus lived. See what he say's at 9.25 mins, he'll do for me !

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLRE_SIMMU[/youtube]

Nice editing ;)

There are written accounts of his life and execution from people that were not there, and that have a vested interest to spread the story of their Messiah.
Dawkins saying that JC may have lived (poor editing aside, what did they cut out of the clip?) does not prove as a fact that he did.

Dawkins didn't say he may have lived did he ? He said, "I take that back, Jesus existed" , that is a statement that he lived and existed in our world, fact !
 

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