Skashion
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It isn't a fact. It's a probability.<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:43 am --<br /><br />Bluebee2 said:
If you believe he existed you should probably also believe that the Romans didn't want to execute him.Martyn said:
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black mamba said:So Jesus definitely lived , did he?
Is there a living soul alive today who can actually 100% verify that ??
There may well be documentation , or writings , speaking of his existence , but there probably are about the Yeti , or Loch Ness Monster too ...... we'll never really know for sure , will we ???
As history goes 2000 years is a relatively short time ago, there is evidence Jesus existed, it's a fact.
Skashion
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There being some evidence doesn't equate to it being a fact.Bluebee2 said:there is evidence Jesus existed, it's a fact.
BimboBob
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Bluebee2 said:black mamba said:So Jesus definitely lived , did he?
Is there a living soul alive today who can actually 100% verify that ??
There may well be documentation , or writings , speaking of his existence , but there probably are about the Yeti , or Loch Ness Monster too ...... we'll never really know for sure , will we ???
As history goes 2000 years is a relatively short time ago, there is evidence Jesus existed, it's a fact.
There's more evidence that Arthur existed than a man called Jesus wandering around being all messiahy.
pominoz
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Bluebee2 said:pominoz said:Bluebee2 said:It matter's not about the rest of the debate, he admits Jesus existed, move on as you say !
You have not watched the whole debate have you?, just an edited clip from a religious site.
Since when was Dawkins the last word on JC's existence?
I actually think there probably was a radical Jew called Jesus that had followers, but there is no real evidence. There for it is not a fact.
No probable about it, Jesus existed, fact ! Move on !
No, no, no, just saying something is a fact does not mean a fucking thing. Prove it or at least point out one, just one, contemporary account written about him, not something written 50 years after he died by people that were not there.
Here is the full unedited debate, can you bring yourself to watch it?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHf23jINqs[/youtube]
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@Markt85
You state that all of those things (the sun, moon, gravity etc) as being here so humans can exist, but we're fitted to be able to live in those conditions, We exist as a result of us evolving to fit on this planet, this planet isn't here so we can live. There will probably be another planet somewhere else where the inhabitants look similar to us (the animals on this planet) because the conditions are the same. The planet isn't just suitable for human life anyway, it was also extremely suitable for the dinosaurs who were very unlucky, it's also suitable for other mammals, fish, reptiles etc.
And as for having morales, doesn't the bible condemn homosexuals? doesn't it state that we should stone adulterous woman to death? In fact the old testament is despicable in a lot of places and I would class it the opposite of "morale". I don't need religion to know the difference between right and wrong, to feel love or to tell me how to live my life. I've been taught through growing up how to behave, what's important in life etc. It's a mixture of nature vs nurture. Once a species reaches a certain degree of intelligence so it's self aware, then it should be able to decipher what is right and what it wrong, any species that isn't intelligent enough to be self aware will just go off it's animal instinct, personality does exist in animals but it's not as variable as it is in humans due to intelligence.
You state that all of those things (the sun, moon, gravity etc) as being here so humans can exist, but we're fitted to be able to live in those conditions, We exist as a result of us evolving to fit on this planet, this planet isn't here so we can live. There will probably be another planet somewhere else where the inhabitants look similar to us (the animals on this planet) because the conditions are the same. The planet isn't just suitable for human life anyway, it was also extremely suitable for the dinosaurs who were very unlucky, it's also suitable for other mammals, fish, reptiles etc.
And as for having morales, doesn't the bible condemn homosexuals? doesn't it state that we should stone adulterous woman to death? In fact the old testament is despicable in a lot of places and I would class it the opposite of "morale". I don't need religion to know the difference between right and wrong, to feel love or to tell me how to live my life. I've been taught through growing up how to behave, what's important in life etc. It's a mixture of nature vs nurture. Once a species reaches a certain degree of intelligence so it's self aware, then it should be able to decipher what is right and what it wrong, any species that isn't intelligent enough to be self aware will just go off it's animal instinct, personality does exist in animals but it's not as variable as it is in humans due to intelligence.
Skashion
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I beg you, don't engage with the vicar.ban-mcfc said:@Markt85
You state that all of those things (the sun, moon, gravity etc) as being here so humans can exist, but we're fitted to be able to live in those conditions, We exist as a result of us evolving to fit on this planet, this planet isn't here so we can live. There will probably be another planet somewhere else where the inhabitants look similar to us (the animals on this planet) because the conditions are the same. The planet isn't just suitable for human life anyway, it was also extremely suitable for the dinosaurs who were very unlucky, it's also suitable for other mammals, fish, reptiles etc.
And as for having morales, doesn't the bible condemn homosexuals? doesn't it state that we should stone adulterous woman to death? In fact the old testament is despicable in a lot of places and I would class it the opposite of "morale". I don't need religion to know the difference between right and wrong, to feel love or to tell me how to live my life. I've been taught through growing up how to behave, what's important in life etc. It's a mixture of nature vs nurture. Once a species reaches a certain degree of intelligence so it's self aware, then it should be able to decipher what is right and what it wrong, any species that isn't intelligent enough to be self aware will just go off it's animal instinct, personality does exist in animals but it's not as variable as it is in humans due to intelligence.
pominoz said:Bluebee2 said:pominoz said:You have not watched the whole debate have you?, just an edited clip from a religious site.
Since when was Dawkins the last word on JC's existence?
I actually think there probably was a radical Jew called Jesus that had followers, but there is no real evidence. There for it is not a fact.
No probable about it, Jesus existed, fact ! Move on !
No, no, no, just saying something is a fact does not mean a fucking thing. Prove it or at least point out one, just one, contemporary account written about him, not something written 50 years after he died by people that were not there.
Here is the full unedited debate, can you bring yourself to watch it?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHf23jINqs[/youtube]
There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !
pominoz
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Bluebee2 said:pominoz said:Bluebee2 said:No probable about it, Jesus existed, fact ! Move on !
No, no, no, just saying something is a fact does not mean a fucking thing. Prove it or at least point out one, just one, contemporary account written about him, not something written 50 years after he died by people that were not there.
Here is the full unedited debate, can you bring yourself to watch it?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHf23jINqs[/youtube]
There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !
Show me the evidence.
Fucking big bones are evidence that dinosaurs existed, ie physical proof, it is not hard.
Now stop stating belief as fact and watch the debate you posted in full, then get back to me.
Skashion
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In English please.Bluebee2 said:Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.