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[BoyBlue_1985]

No probable about it, Jesus existed, fact ! Move on !

No, no, no, just saying something is a fact does not mean a fucking thing. Prove it or at least point out one, just one, contemporary account written about him, not something written 50 years after he died by people that were not there.

Here is the full unedited debate, can you bring yourself to watch it?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHf23jINqs[/youtube]

There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !

The problem with the dinosaur argument is the endless amount of bones we find that prove they were on the planet. We take it as fact because the amount of evidence to prove it as fact is huge

 

[Bluebee2]

No, no, no, just saying something is a fact does not mean a fucking thing. Prove it or at least point out one, just one, contemporary account written about him, not something written 50 years after he died by people that were not there.

Here is the full unedited debate, can you bring yourself to watch it?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHf23jINqs[/youtube]

There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !

Show me the evidence.
Fucking big bones are evidence that dinosaurs existed, ie physical proof, it is not hard.
Now stop stating belief as fact and watch the debate you posted in full, then get back to me.

Still swearing I see. Jesus lived your great hero admits it ! Move on !<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:14 am --<br /><br />

No, no, no, just saying something is a fact does not mean a fucking thing. Prove it or at least point out one, just one, contemporary account written about him, not something written 50 years after he died by people that were not there.

Here is the full unedited debate, can you bring yourself to watch it?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHf23jINqs[/youtube]

There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !

The problem with the dinosaur argument is the endless amount of bones we find that prove they were on the planet. We take it as fact because the amount of evidence to prove it as fact is huge

I'm aware of that, just saying nobody has seen a live one, fact !

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

@Markt85

You state that all of those things (the sun, moon, gravity etc) as being here so humans can exist, but we're fitted to be able to live in those conditions, We exist as a result of us evolving to fit on this planet, this planet isn't here so we can live. There will probably be another planet somewhere else where the inhabitants look similar to us (the animals on this planet) because the conditions are the same. The planet isn't just suitable for human life anyway, it was also extremely suitable for the dinosaurs who were very unlucky, it's also suitable for other mammals, fish, reptiles etc.

And as for having morales, doesn't the bible condemn homosexuals? doesn't it state that we should stone adulterous woman to death? In fact the old testament is despicable in a lot of places and I would class it the opposite of "morale". I don't need religion to know the difference between right and wrong, to feel love or to tell me how to live my life. I've been taught through growing up how to behave, what's important in life etc. It's a mixture of nature vs nurture. Once a species reaches a certain degree of intelligence so it's self aware, then it should be able to decipher what is right and what it wrong, any species that isn't intelligent enough to be self aware will just go off it's animal instinct, personality does exist in animals but it's not as variable as it is in humans due to intelligence.

I beg you, don't engage with the vicar.

I'm fairly sure that the vicar doesn't exist, other than in the fevered imagination of the Wet Spammer, who I think may have more than a touch of the schizophrenias.
Personally, I'm still reeling from the shock than a moderator can entertain the possibility of a superior being, as I thought they considered themselves to be the pinnacle of human evolution.
Unless God chooses the moderators, in which case he has an awful lot to answer for.

 

[BigJimLittleJim]

There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !

Show me the evidence.
Fucking big bones are evidence that dinosaurs existed, ie physical proof, it is not hard.
Now stop stating belief as fact and watch the debate you posted in full, then get back to me.

Still swearing I see. Jesus lived your great hero admits it ! Move on !

-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:14 am --

There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !

The problem with the dinosaur argument is the endless amount of bones we find that prove they were on the planet. We take it as fact because the amount of evidence to prove it as fact is huge

I'm aware of that, just saying nobody has seen a live one, fact !

Sharks and crocodiles - plenty of them alive and studied by boffins.

Also Sharktopus, otherwise known as Octoshark.

 

[Skashion]

I'm fairly sure that the vicar doesn't exist, other than in the fevered imagination of the Wet Spammer, who I think may have more than a touch of the schizophrenias.
Personally, I'm still reeling from the shock than a moderator can entertain the possibility of a superior being, as I thought they considered themselves to be the pinnacle of human evolution.
Unless God chooses the moderators, in which case he has an awful lot to answer for.

You are affording Markt85 a great deal more intelligence than I give him credit for.

Not one bit shocking, the power hungry have long sought to enhance their own sense of power by claiming divine provenance.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Is there any proof in the bible that any of the stories are fiction ?

Yes. The story of Noah and the flood.

For a start, the story is actually two stories melded together, hence in Genesis 6:

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind; two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
22 Thus did Noah according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

and then in Genesis 7:

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 ¶ And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 ¶ In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

You can tell the stories apart by the use of the terms "God" and "LORD." In Genesis 7 above, the melding is very clear where seven beasts (LORD) becomes 2 beasts (God). Two versions of the same story? One must be a fiction, quite probably both.

Anyway, that aside, how the fuck did Noah get all the animals from Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Japan, Madagascar, the Americas and all the small islands of the world to the Middle East - and back again after a flood that covered the whole planet (for we know water finds its own level and we are told, Genesis 7:20, "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.") in an age before mass transport? Even using the ark, seven days to build an ark and go round the world collecting the animals (which he was not instructed to do) would be somewhat of a tall order.

The story of Noah perfectly shows the bible for what it is: a series of myths created by a small people with a small view of the world. In that respect nothing much has changed over the intervening years.

 

[pominoz]

There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !

Show me the evidence.
Fucking big bones are evidence that dinosaurs existed, ie physical proof, it is not hard.
Now stop stating belief as fact and watch the debate you posted in full, then get back to me.

Still swearing I see. Jesus lived your great hero admits it ! Move on !

-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:14 am --

There is enough evidence to prove that Jesus existed, clever men have studied the evidence and come to the conclusion that Jesus lived. Pretty much the same as people taking as fact that Dinosaurs existed without anyone having seen a live one.
No need to start swearing is there !

The problem with the dinosaur argument is the endless amount of bones we find that prove they were on the planet. We take it as fact because the amount of evidence to prove it as fact is huge

I'm aware of that, just saying nobody has seen a live one, fact !

Putting "fact' at the end of a sentence does not make it so. Now that is a fact.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Show me the evidence.
Fucking big bones are evidence that dinosaurs existed, ie physical proof, it is not hard.
Now stop stating belief as fact and watch the debate you posted in full, then get back to me.

Still swearing I see. Jesus lived your great hero admits it ! Move on !

-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:14 am --

The problem with the dinosaur argument is the endless amount of bones we find that prove they were on the planet. We take it as fact because the amount of evidence to prove it as fact is huge

I'm aware of that, just saying nobody has seen a live one, fact !

Sharks and crocodiles - plenty of them alive and studied by boffins.

Also Sharktopus, otherwise known as Octoshark.

Good point<br /><br />-- 02 Nov 2013, 12:34 --<br /><br />

Is there any proof in the bible that any of the stories are fiction ?

Yes. The story of Noah and the flood.

For a start, the story is actually two stories melded together, hence in Genesis 6:

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind; two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
22 Thus did Noah according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

and then in Genesis 7:

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 ¶ And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 ¶ In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

You can tell the stories apart by the use of the terms "God" and "LORD." In Genesis 7 above, the melding is very clear where seven beasts (LORD) becomes 2 beasts (God). Two versions of the same story? One must be a fiction, quite probably both.

Anyway, that aside, how the fuck did Noah get all the animals from Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Japan, Madagascar, the Americas and all the small islands of the world to the Middle East - and back again after a flood that covered the whole planet (for we know water finds its own level and we are told, Genesis 7:20, "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.") in an age before mass transport? Even using the ark, seven days to build an ark and go round the world collecting the animals (which he was not instructed to do) would be somewhat of a tall order.

The story of Noah perfectly shows the bible for what it is: a series of myths created by a small people with a small view of the world. In that respect nothing much has changed over the intervening years.

Another question is where the fuck did all the water come from to flood the earth in its entirety and how the fuck in a few hundred years did people stop living 600 years to about 30 and then taken another 1900 years to get back to 80 and thats with many drugs and fantastic healthcare

 

[Chancy Termites]

Is there any proof in the bible that any of the stories are fiction ?

Prove to me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist and I'll be happy to answer that for you.

 

[pominoz]

Dawkins didn't say he may have lived did he ? He said, "I take that back, Jesus existed" , that is a statement that he lived and existed in our world, fact !

I am about to watch the full debate, without the editing in your clip.
You have ignored everything Dawkins said before and after that comment. So if Dawkins said JC existed it is a fact, yet every other thing he says is not?

It matter's not about the rest of the debate, he admits Jesus existed, move on as you say !

Ok, just got to the part of the debate where he (Dawkins) says JC existed as a man, but not the son of a god. He is saying that he believes a man named Jesus lived at the time, so what?