hillsborough anniversary

[NPBlue]

That's the difference between me and your average brainless rag. I don't revel in the deaths of Hillsborough my views are strong on it out of sheer anger and frustration. Lessons were learned in hindsight but no contingency could have catered for the actions of so many drunken selfish arseholes that day in opinion.

And I accept that in the wake there were a lot of people there that pulled out the stops to try and help those who were injured. I'd have a lot more sympathy if the Liverpool fans found the will to look inwardly and condemn those they know about who played their part in the tragedy, That's my last word on the subject. (Until the myth pops up on a future thread somethime April 2010- I shouldn't wonder.)

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So you two were there and saw it all? You know better than Lord Taylor, with all his witnesses?

The main reason there was a crush was that there were severe traffic problems. The police were asked to delay the kick off but didn't. There were certainly people without tickets but not that many. The police decided to open the gate but then lied about it and said it was forced by the fans. The tragedy happened because fans did what any of us would have done and took the shortest way into the standing areas, instead of the stewards directing them to the sides which weren't already full. When have you heard of the police being the victims of a whitewash?

Yes, the Scousers are a self-pitying bunch. Yes they were pretty well 100% to blame for Heysel and yes, there are inconsistencies in the Shields case that throw doubt on his claims of innocence.

But the blame for Hillsborough lies squarely on the shoulders of the South Yorkshire police and the board of Sheffield Wednesday.

Lets also remember that disasters like this had been around for decades. Ibrox and Burnden Park, to name a couple.

I remember being in situations that were uncomfortable, to say the least. I had my ribs crushed in the Kippax after hurtling down the terracing and smashing into a crush barrier. I remember floating out of Maine Rd, my feet off the floor, in '69 after we had played Newcastle.

I recall other situations, but at the heart of the problem was the design of the stadiums.

If there is one good legacy of all those unfortunate deaths at Hillsborough, and a few weeks later at Bradford, it is that stadiums are now much safer places than they were back then.

96 people died that day, and as a result of that, we can now watch our football without worrying about being crushed to death, falling over and being trampled on, of having your head kicked in by marauding losers running everywhere.

Football grounds were rundown and desolate places back then, and people died as a result.

It is much better now, but it is a real shame that Hillsborough and Bradford had to happen before the people in charge realised it. We had had enough disasters before that!

 

[Disturbance]

Please don't think I'm being shirty with you Macca, it happened at Rangers as well and a few other places but Liverpudlians are the absolute masters of blame culture. Whereas other people accept accidents have happened and there is always contibuting factors, Liverpudlians differ in that thay always get together and shift the blame elsewhere.
Look at the case of Rhys Jones, they know who shoot kids FFS and still cover up for them, If my lad did that, I wouldn't sit up all night working out an alibi, I'd frogmarch him down the police station and hand him in myself.
The first time I mentioned Hillsborough in 2004 Steve King (RIP) had a hissy fit and called for me to be banned, he stated that he worked with scousers at BA and had seen them cry tears over Hillsborough. Well that's what they do isn't it? Suck everyone in with their faux sorrow. No one used to lay flowers anywhere but since Hillsborough everytime a fookin dog gets run over there's some pyjama'd chavvy woman in tears on the TV lamenting for the camera while she lays a bouquet from the local Esso.
Ambulance chasers and injury lawyers came to the fore as a direct result of scouse blame culture.
Scarblu said he disagreed with my Hillsboro view back then but said he thought it was a 'bloody brave post'.
Sometimes you have to rail against the populist view or the truth gets swallowed up in myth and semantics.

I know you aren't being shirty with me Lunar. Not your style.

And your comments are pretty brave, because you may get a backlash (as I think you know).

It's just that having read accounts of what happened that day (and, let's face it, that is most any of us on here can do) I was actually incredibly impressed and moved by the humanity that was shown during that day and the weeks after.

No football fan should be able to see the freedom of the green grass of a football pitch just yards away, whilst being suffocated and crushed to death.

It doesn't matter whether they are Scouse or rags. What happened before or since has nothing to do with those 96 and the way they met their deaths.

That's the difference between me and your average brainless rag. I don't revel in the deaths of Hillsborough my views are strong on it out of sheer anger and frustration. Lessons were learned in hindsight but no contingency could have catered for the actions of so many drunken selfish arseholes that day in my opinion.
And I accept that in the wake there were a lot of people there that pulled out the stops to try and help those who were injured. I'd have a lot more sympathy if the Liverpool fans found the will to look inwardly and condemn those they know about who played their part in the tragedy, That's my last word on the subject. (Until the myth pops up on a future thread somethime April 2010- I shouldn't wonder.)

Were you there? Because if it you weren't you should seriously turn it in. You've tried to claim you 'know the truth' but no one really knows the full extent of what happened that day and you just sound like an insensitive ****.

 

[Newlunar]

Please don't think I'm being shirty with you Macca, it happened at Rangers as well and a few other places but Liverpudlians are the absolute masters of blame culture. Whereas other people accept accidents have happened and there is always contibuting factors, Liverpudlians differ in that thay always get together and shift the blame elsewhere.
Look at the case of Rhys Jones, they know who shoot kids FFS and still cover up for them, If my lad did that, I wouldn't sit up all night working out an alibi, I'd frogmarch him down the police station and hand him in myself.
The first time I mentioned Hillsborough in 2004 Steve King (RIP) had a hissy fit and called for me to be banned, he stated that he worked with scousers at BA and had seen them cry tears over Hillsborough. Well that's what they do isn't it? Suck everyone in with their faux sorrow. No one used to lay flowers anywhere but since Hillsborough everytime a fookin dog gets run over there's some pyjama'd chavvy woman in tears on the TV lamenting for the camera while she lays a bouquet from the local Esso.
Ambulance chasers and injury lawyers came to the fore as a direct result of scouse blame culture.
Scarblu said he disagreed with my Hillsboro view back then but said he thought it was a 'bloody brave post'.
Sometimes you have to rail against the populist view or the truth gets swallowed up in myth and semantics.

I know you aren't being shirty with me Lunar. Not your style.

And your comments are pretty brave, because you may get a backlash (as I think you know).

It's just that having read accounts of what happened that day (and, let's face it, that is most any of us on here can do) I was actually incredibly impressed and moved by the humanity that was shown during that day and the weeks after.

No football fan should be able to see the freedom of the green grass of a football pitch just yards away, whilst being suffocated and crushed to death.

It doesn't matter whether they are Scouse or rags. What happened before or since has nothing to do with those 96 and the way they met their deaths.

That's the difference between me and your average brainless rag. I don't revel in the deaths of Hillsborough my views are strong on it out of sheer anger and frustration. Lessons were learned in hindsight but no contingency could have catered for the actions of so many drunken selfish arseholes that day in my opinion.
And I accept that in the wake there were a lot of people there that pulled out the stops to try and help those who were injured. I'd have a lot more sympathy if the Liverpool fans found the will to look inwardly and condemn those they know about who played their part in the tragedy, That's my last word on the subject. (Until the myth pops up on a future thread somethime April 2010- I shouldn't wonder.)

Were you there?

No, were you?

 

[Disturbance]

Were you there?

No, were you?

No. So you must realise how much of a prick you sound claiming you 'know the truth' and getting angry about scousers. Ridiculous.

 

[Corky]

Liverpool fans cost us European football in twice in the early 90's, that is why some city fans are angry. Our two best seasons since the 70s were unrewarded. They committed manslaughter as proven and admitted to by many 3 days after the Bradford fire, was there not enough dead for one week?

 

[bluemanc]

Liverpool fans cost us European football in twice in the early 90's, that is why some city fans are angry. Our two best seasons since the 70s were unrewarded. They committed manslaughter as proven and admitted to by many 3 days after the Bradford fire, was there not enough dead for one week?

So your saying that 96 dead people many of them young makes you angry,you need help.

 

[Corky]

Liverpool fans cost us European football in twice in the early 90's, that is why some city fans are angry. Our two best seasons since the 70s were unrewarded. They committed manslaughter as proven and admitted to by many 3 days after the Bradford fire, was there not enough dead for one week?

So your saying that 96 dead people many of them young makes you angry,you need help.

That did not cust us the European places it was the 1985 events in Belgium, since when was the Bradford fire in 1989? Look it up.

I said some City fans. Try reading and stop making things up. Stop sticking up for killers.

 

[sput the wonder pig]

Liverpool fans cost us European football in twice in the early 90's, that is why some city fans are angry. Our two best seasons since the 70s were unrewarded. They committed manslaughter as proven and admitted to by many 3 days after the Bradford fire, was there not enough dead for one week?

96 people died Ffs , who cares about European football.
I think we need to let it go.
I don't care who's to blame I just hope the famillies are at peace. End of

 

[Corky]

Liverpool fans cost us European football in twice in the early 90's, that is why some city fans are angry. Our two best seasons since the 70s were unrewarded. They committed manslaughter as proven and admitted to by many 3 days after the Bradford fire, was there not enough dead for one week?

96 people died Ffs , who cares about European football.
I think we need to let it go.
I don't care who's to blame I just hope the famillies are at peace. End of

In 1985?

Why comment when you do not have a clue.

 

[Disturbance]

Liverpool fans cost us European football in twice in the early 90's, that is why some city fans are angry. Our two best seasons since the 70s were unrewarded. They committed manslaughter as proven and admitted to by many 3 days after the Bradford fire, was there not enough dead for one week?

So your saying that 96 dead people many of them young makes you angry,you need help.

That did not cust us the European places it was the 1985 events in Belgium, since when was the Bradford fire in 1989? Look it up.

I said some City fans. Try reading and stop making things up. Stop sticking up for killers.

Jesus Christ, follow the thread you cretin. Newlunar said he was angry about scousers in direct relation to Hillsboro. why don't you enlighten us as to what the fuck the bradford fire has to do with any of that? This is after all a thread about the Hillsboro anniversary and not an excuse for you to rant about scousers and make bollocks inflammatory accusations about people 'defending killers'