http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/hillsborough-documents-released-brian-reade-1318730
very good read from brian reade
very good read from brian reade
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Hillsborough - The Search for Truth
- Thread starter Hamann Pineapple
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Prestwich_Blue
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Well if you think I'm being condescending about your views I'll post them for all to see.The Future's Blue said:PS. That is the biggest load of condescending bollox I've ever heard.
Here's one post of yours on the subject:
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=242530&p=5097304&hilit=Hillsborough#p5097304
The Future's Blue said:To many left-wing softies around here for me, Dippers sympathisers fuck me right off. They are at the heart of 2 massacres yet no-one seems to ever put them to blame. Their families hurt but only because their families put them there.
Harsh, but true.
Here's another:
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=250804&p=5361539&hilit=Hillsborough#p5361539
In other words the fans.The Future's Blue said:Liverpool fans rush the gate and start a crush.
Police open gates to stop people getting crushed.
Liverpool fans surge more and more into the ground which causes an even greater crush.
Police cannot open gates now because there ain't none, they're caged and it ends in carnage.
Emergency services are not prepared for such an incident and cannot handle the sheer amountof injured supporters adding to the tragedy.
Supporters and family blame the Police, the Police blame the supporters.
Who instigated the rush in the 1st place? The supporters.
Who perpetuated the incident by opening the gates? The Police.
So, who's to blame?
The supporters for starting the crush?
The Police for opening the gate?
The FA for allowing clubs to put up barriers?
It's a tough one but I if blame has to be laid I would have to say that it was those who started the revolution of actions.
I have nothing but the deepest contempt for people who ignore all the facts from hundreds of witnesses in the Taylor Report (but you think they're not facts because they were designed to achieve a political objective) and base their view of the tragedy on their personal prejudices.
That can be excused for those who speak out of pure ignorance of the circumstances but not from someone who has read the relevant documents.
Dubai Blue
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Even his own logic is fundamentally flawed though. As we have already seen, the stadium's owners (SWFC) were in breach of their saftey certificate every single time they opened the Lepping's Lane end following its modifications.
So the people who actually started the 'revolution of actions' that led up to the disaster were the very authorities tasked with enforcing that safety certificate. Whoever that was, it most certainly wasn't the fans.
So the people who actually started the 'revolution of actions' that led up to the disaster were the very authorities tasked with enforcing that safety certificate. Whoever that was, it most certainly wasn't the fans.
Lucky Toma
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PB, what do you plan to do with Future's Blue now that you own him? :)
I'm thinking we could perhaps expend upon another poster's thoughts and market him as the next Stanley Unwin? Send him around the social clubs and make a bit of money for charity.
I'm thinking we could perhaps expend upon another poster's thoughts and market him as the next Stanley Unwin? Send him around the social clubs and make a bit of money for charity.
Carver
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Dubai Blue said:Even his own logic is fundamentally flawed though. As we have already seen, the stadium's owners (SWFC) were in breach of their saftey certificate every single time they opened the Lepping's Lane end following its modifications.
So the people who actually started the 'revolution of actions' that led up to the disaster were the very authorities tasked with enforcing that safety certificate. Whoever that was, it most certainly wasn't the fans.
Or the people at the FA & SWFC who chose the venue and accepted staging of the game in the full knowledge that they were in breach of the safety cert. It was the FA's responsibility to check that the venue was suitable and SWFC's responsibility to provide a safe venue.
Prestwich_Blue
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I'm thinking more Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3 where he has to wear that placard saying "I hate N*****s" or something in a black neighbourhood of New York.Lucky Toma said:PB, what do you plan to do with Future's Blue now that you own him? :)
I'm thinking we could perhaps expend upon another poster's thoughts and market him as the next Stanley Unwin? Send him around the social clubs and make a bit of money for charity.
We should tie him up outside Anfield on the day of a Merseyside derby with a placard that says "Taylor was a liar and The Sun was right. You scousers killed 96 of your own".
Lucky Toma
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Prestwich_Blue said:I'm thinking more Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3 where he has to wear that placard saying "I hate N*****s" or something in a black neighbourhood of New York.Lucky Toma said:PB, what do you plan to do with Future's Blue now that you own him? :)
I'm thinking we could perhaps expend upon another poster's thoughts and market him as the next Stanley Unwin? Send him around the social clubs and make a bit of money for charity.
We should tie him up outside Anfield on the day of a Merseyside derby with a placard that says "Taylor was a liar and The Sun was right. You scousers killed 96 of your own".
With him quoting random parts of the Taylor Report completely out of context. Perfect.
First news trickling out and it's ugly.
Blood taken from bodies to test for
alcohol. If none, they checked for
criminal records.
SYP were criminalising victims before
the bodies were even cold
And it looks like HIP will confirm what
we knew: more could have been
saved. We knew it, but it still hurts to
hear it
source :@tonyevanstimes
Blood taken from bodies to test for
alcohol. If none, they checked for
criminal records.
SYP were criminalising victims before
the bodies were even cold
And it looks like HIP will confirm what
we knew: more could have been
saved. We knew it, but it still hurts to
hear it
source :@tonyevanstimes
Hamann Pineapple
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44% said:First news trickling out and it's ugly.
Blood taken from bodies to test for
alcohol. If none, they checked for
criminal records.
SYP were criminalising victims before
the bodies were even cold
And it looks like HIP will confirm what
we knew: more could have been
saved. We knew it, but it still hurts to
hear it
source :@tonyevanstimes
What will happen to the culprits though ? They're hardly going to lock them up are they ?
Hamann Pineapple said:44% said:First news trickling out and it's ugly.
Blood taken from bodies to test for
alcohol. If none, they checked for
criminal records.
SYP were criminalising victims before
the bodies were even cold
And it looks like HIP will confirm what
we knew: more could have been
saved. We knew it, but it still hurts to
hear it
source :@tonyevanstimes
What will happen to the culprits though ? They're hardly going to lock them up are they ?
It doesn't means that we stop fighting for the truth , atleast the government will recognise who the culprits are , atleast this will educate some people who are in the dark , maybe we will not be mocked anyomore for demanding the truth , imagine the relief the families will get