JoeMercer'sWay
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strongbowholic said:
Cameron apologised for the actions of the previous government, as did Milliband.
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Hillsborough - The Search for Truth
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Cameron apologised for the actions of the previous government, as did Milliband.
Happy Feet said:So are we assuming that in no way were any Lpool fans pissed up, none tried to enter the ground without a ticket and they all behaved impeccably outside the ground before kick off ?
No, nobody is saying that at all and I think that is quite clear. However it is acknowledged that in any mass spectator events such inevitabilities have always and always will happen.
However, the Police are charged with controlling the situation and they failed.
Not only did they fail but when it became apparent that they failed they covered up and lied and changed witness statements to distance themselves from any accountability.
If that was not enough it is proven that the police briefed against the fans (with lies) and took alcohol blood samples from the innocent victims as well as checking criminal records to validate their case.
By all means have a point of view - but yours is so is informed and wide of the mark it beggars belief!
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Not in such numbers to have caused this disaster. Listen to Cameron's statement as to who WAS to blame and why.Happy Feet said:So are we assuming that in no way were any Lpool fans pissed up, none tried to enter the ground without a ticket and they all behaved impeccably outside the ground before kick off ?
Hamann Pineapple
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Full report is released here at 2pm
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He specifically stated there was no cover up by government. I disagree for the reason stated.JoeMercer'sWay said:strongbowholic said:Going back to the government being blameless, if Thatcher was told SYP's behaviour was "depressingly familiar", how can there be no blame on them?
What did they do to change that behaviour other than encourage Dukinfield to resign? Why did they not bring about prosecutions etc?
Big cover up all the way to the top in my opinion.
Cameron apologised for the actions of the previous government, as did Milliband.
Happy Feet
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Agree, but on Merseyside it seems there is a reluctance to acknowledge any wrong doing by any Lpool fan on the day.strongbowholic said:Not in such numbers to have caused this disaster. Listen to Cameron's statement as to who WAS to blame and why.Happy Feet said:So are we assuming that in no way were any Lpool fans pissed up, none tried to enter the ground without a ticket and they all behaved impeccably outside the ground before kick off ?
Gary James
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Rascal said:The sad thing is, it has taken 23 years for the truth to be made public. But for all of those 23 years all of us who used to attend football back then already knew the truth.
Absolutely spot on!
Now that we're 23 years on it's difficult to appreciate how the day itself was. So, while the discussions go on, please read this quote from an anonymous male spectator who was quoted in Taylor, Ward & Newburn's book "The Day of The Hillsborough Disaster"
It makes you think sensibly about the day itself: "You can't recapture the sounds on television. You can hear a deafening hum, but you can't hear the person next to you screaming in your ear and you can't hear people dying and you can't hear bones crushing and you can't smell the smells. You could smell people dying. Combined with the actual sensation of being crushed as well, you've got every sense bombarded at the same time."
They went to watch a football match - that's all - how could it end like that?
Happy Feet said:Agree, but on Merseyside it seems there is a reluctance to acknowledge any wrong doing by any Lpool fan on the day.strongbowholic said:Not in such numbers to have caused this disaster. Listen to Cameron's statement as to who WAS to blame and why.Happy Feet said:So are we assuming that in no way were any Lpool fans pissed up, none tried to enter the ground without a ticket and they all behaved impeccably outside the ground before kick off ?
That is because there were no wrong doings out of the ordinary.
Were the fans responsible for opening the gates?
Were the fans responsible for directing the spectators down the tunnel?
NO! The decision to open the gates was that of the Police, and not to close off the tunnel entry was again a Police mistake.