Holistic approach

[the goats backside]

On snn reporting saying that Mancini never set foot in the youth area of the club, is this true or just more crap being spun by the media

No idea if he did or he didn't. Who cares anyway. Mancini's brief when he arrived was to get a CL spot and win trophies not to look after the youth program. Going forward it is obviously going to form part of the 'holistic' brief hence the change but its going to get silly if we start having a pop at everything Mancini didn't do given the job he was tasked to do was bloody huge and difficult enough.

Once you start with the tittle tattle stuff everyone starts to look silly.

But i have a mate that knows a mate who's mate has a mate that said RM parked in the wrong parking space at the ground. This is a true story because my mate said so

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'm awaiting news that we've made an approach to the Dalai Lama

His disciplinary record counted against him.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

I'm awaiting news that we've made an approach to the Dalai Lama

His disciplinary record counted against him.

I can't see the Nepalese parting with him and Cavani

 

[Shaelumstash]

If the 'holistic approach' is to be followed this means that the Cheeky Boys will be running everything. The new manager won't be a manager at all, he'll just be the head coach. He'll have minimal to nil input into signings and he'll just be given a squad and told to coach it to win trophies.

Completely agree

 

[Shaelumstash]

Fucking "Holistic approach"!!!

Absolute fucking disgrace. "Holistic approach" translated means Txiki picks the formations, the players and the manager.

Mancini refused to be his puppet and got the bullet. Now enter some sap, probably "people's person" Pelligrini who puts out the cones and is called a head coach.

Absolutely disgusted at the club.

Drinking on an empty head?

Stay of the Stella

I don't know what they were drinking when they came up with "holistic approach", probably a double shot foamy choca mocha latté

 

[MCRJON]

I think it's a polite way of saying:

"Dear Roberto.

Firstly thank-you for winning the FA Cup and League, there is no-one here who doesnt appreciate what you have done, and we recognise that this has given you a special place in the heart of every Manchester City fan.

We are dissapointed to of not built on last seasosn success, we accept that there have been many reasons for this. Some were caused by poor signings for which we apologise, but at the same time there have been some managerial failings also. Despite the shortcomings this season we would of liked to have continued working with you.

Unfortunatly though, you have pissed off pretty much everyone inside the club. The players all hate your guts, in fact, our captain, striker and goalkeeper all want to leave if you stay. We did say at the start of the year that it was improtant that you worked on this issue.

Also the medical staff hate you, in your 3 years we have been through several chief medical officers, maybe at your next club you might try and be nice to these guys.

Most of the staff at Carrington hate you, please and thank-you go along way. Also you have slagged of your director of football, a couple of board members and now the communications officer. This just wont do.

We want a Hollistic approach. This means that everyone works together in harmony and we have a stable culture and enviroment that allows us to develop as a football club and build success from within.

You're Sacked

Regards

The Board"

Now i love Bobby. I am genuinly upset and shocked that he has gone and i didnt see it coming. But what i am not going to do is get my knickers in a twist with a knee jerk reaction against the owners and board as we (you) clearly do not know all the facts.

I am only concerned with success on the pitch, but it is clear that the owners want more that than, they dont want pictures of the manager fighting with his own players at training or perceived mistrust and disharmony behind the scenes.

I think it only takes a tiny bit of reading between the lines to realise that he has not been sacked for football reasons.

 

[trotsky]

A "holistic approach" is what Arsenal & the rags do. It means that young players are taught to play the same way the first team do and everything is focused on getting them into the first team, with the right skills, as seamlessly as possible.

This is what Hughes and Cassell fell out over. Hughes wasn't happy with the quality of the graduates while Cassell just wanted to win the Youth Cup and wasn't interested in the bigger picture. A third party with access to Arsenal was brought in to prepare a report and Cassell was eased aside (but it was done gently with due appreciation of his services).

If you get it right it works brilliantly as Arsenal, rags class of 92, Dortmund and the Barcelona team have demosntrated but it's not easy and takes time. The rags really haven't managed to repeat that success and the last of those kids are now retiring. It could take 7, 8, 9 years before we see our own Gotze, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, etc. But we will I'm sure.

Stop talking sense!
It'll be the ban hammer for you PB, if you're not careful!

I like the sound of an "holistic approach" to achieve "the project". Then again I was always keen on a bit of "hippy trippy".
We can't change it now, so lets just get behind whoever, like we always have.
It can't be worse than Alan Ball, can it??!?

 

[SWP's back]

Drinking on an empty head?

Stay of the Stella

I don't know what they were drinking when they came up with "holistic approach", probably a double shot foamy choca mocha latté

I can see it's a challenging subject for you. Why not read PB's post a few above this. Then have a lie down before you crack on with the playdo.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

Stay of the Stella

I don't know what they were drinking when they came up with "holistic approach", probably a double shot foamy choca mocha latté

I can see it's a challenging subject for you. Why not read PB's post a few above this. Then have a lie down before you crack on with the playdo.

To be honest SWP I think walking and talking at the same time is a challenge for some of the posters this morning.

When you have posters threatening to sing anti Pellegrini songs even before he is appointed, when you have posters wailing and crying cos there beloved has lost his job and when you have posters who can't seem to understand who makes the rules at the club then its prob time to ignore them. Think I might go for a long walk

 

[Shaelumstash]

Stay of the Stella

I don't know what they were drinking when they came up with "holistic approach", probably a double shot foamy choca mocha latté

I can see it's a challenging subject for you. Why not read PB's post a few above this. Then have a lie down before you crack on with the playdo.

It's challenging because I disagree with the manager being overruled by an administrator. If you are referring to PBs post below, I've already answered it. I know it's not really your style to address the actual points raised though, and you prefer a personal name calling / winding up approach, good luck with that.

A "holistic approach" is what Arsenal & the rags do. It means that young players are taught to play the same way the first team do and everything is focused on getting them into the first team, with the right skills, as seamlessly as possible.

This is what Hughes and Cassell fell out over. Hughes wasn't happy with the quality of the graduates while Cassell just wanted to win the Youth Cup and wasn't interested in the bigger picture. A third party with access to Arsenal was brought in to prepare a report and Cassell was eased aside (but it was done gently with due appreciation of his services).

If you get it right it works brilliantly as Arsenal, rags class of 92, Dortmund and the Barcelona team have demosntrated but it's not easy and takes time. The rags really haven't managed to repeat that success and the last of those kids are now retiring. It could take 7, 8, 9 years before we see our own Gotze, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, etc. But we will I'm sure.

The nature of the club statement was that one of the reasons Mancini was sacked was because the club wanted to adopt a "holistic approach" to football at the club. That to me suggests Mancini was an obstruction to that approach.

The points you make about Dortmund, Arsenal and Barca is a good one. Of course it makes sense to develop players that play the same way as the first team. But ask yourself, why would Mancini be obstructive to that happening at the club? Why would he not want youth players developed that would fit seamlessly in to his first team?

It must come down to the approach. The infamous article in The Times that suggested Txiki wanted to play 433 throughout the whole club was rubbished by Mancini. I remember exactly what he said at the time "We want to develop good young players who can play in any system, 433, 442, 451, the system is not important." I completely agree with him.

As I said earlier, the 433 approach has been ingrained in Barca for 30 odd years, I even read somewhere that since Cruyff played for them in the 70s, Bobby Robson has been the only coach ever not to play that system as he preferred 442. To try to introduce this philosophy at City overnight is a very risky one, particularly as it is a largely unproven formula for success in the Premier League. Chelsea under Mourinho won with 433, but it was a very different looking 433 to Barcelona!