Homophobia in football

[halfcenturyup]

“Homosexual one way or the other.” I’m fairly certain there’s just the one way.

:)

I meant male:male or female:female. I'm not sure what the appropriate terminology is these days.

Edit: It's not my fault I can't keep up, here there are different words for men who prefer men who identify as men, men who prefer men who identify as women, women who prefer women who identify as women and women who prefer women who identify as men. It's a minefield.

 

[johnnytapia]

:)

I meant male:male or female:female. I'm not sure what the appropriate terminology is these days.

Edit: It's not my fault I can't keep up, here there are different words for men who prefer men who identify as men, men who prefer men who identify as women, women who prefer women who identify as women and women who prefer women who identify as men. It's a minefield.

Ha ha ha. I know. Used to be so much easier: straight or a bandit!

 

[East Level 2]

Exactly.

(Insert username here) Fucks goats. That's their lifestyle choice and it should be respected.

Does he/she/it/they fuck male or female goats?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

No, I'm saying I don't understand the need to announce your sexual preferences to the world. Nor why anyone should care about what it is.

I don’t think it’s about “announcing it”. Straight players don’t “announce” their sexuality, they display it by turning up at ceremonies or a night out with the latest WAG on their arm.
Sadly if a player turned up with a bloke on his arm the reaction would be different.

 

[Pell]

No top elite footballer is going to come out, it would cost him a fortune in loss of endorsements etc, regardless of the difficult headlines and media attention.

Someone I know well and trust that works high up in football told be about a ex rag player who was gay, he went on to become one of the most famous players in the game, got "married" and "had kids" but it was all a business arrangement as he had enormous endorsements of tens of millions a season. Still in the game and still has the pretending lifestyle.

We've all suspected Beckham for years...

 

[Blue Til Death]

We've all suspected Beckham for years...

He will kiss any arse, man woman or beast, to get him in the news.. He’s worse than Mutley for wanting medals …
Can’t stand the twat…Or his weasel wife …:-)

 

[The perfect fumble]

I don’t think it’s about “announcing it”. Straight players don’t “announce” their sexuality, they display it by turning up at ceremonies or a night out with the latest WAG on their arm.
Sadly if a player turned up with a bloke on his arm the reaction would be different.

Exactly.

Worst case scenario.

A male Premier League player turns up to an event with his male partner, three things happen. The MSM gutter press would be all over them, not in the fire and brimstone fashion of yesteryear, but in constant intrusive articles about both of them, particularly if the player was signed to a high profile club. Their private lives would be over, the pressure would never end, constant attempts would be made to get the player and his partner to make a statement of some sort, his team mates would be expected to show support, as would his manager, and woe betide them if the MSM judges them insufficiently effusive. Overnight this player would no longer be a footballer, he'd be the gay footballer.

Social media would be all over it, endless bollocks about them would be spouted.

And the politics of it would kick in, pressure groups, from the legit to the downright wacky, would seek to co-opt him whether he wanted it or not.

Or maybe nothing out of the ordinary would happen.

I suspect not knowing which way it would pan out, goes a long way to explaining why it's not happened.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Exactly.

Worst case scenario.

A male Premier League player turns up to an event with his male partner, three things happen. The MSM gutter press would be all over them, not in the fire and brimstone fashion of yesteryear, but in constant intrusive articles about both of them, particularly if the player was signed to a high profile club. Their private lives would be over, the pressure would never end, constant attempts would be made to get the player and his partner to make a statement of some sort, his team mates would be expected to show support, as would his manager, and woe betide them if the MSM judges them insufficiently effusive. Overnight this player would no longer be a footballer, he'd be the gay footballer.

Social media would be all over it, endless bollocks about them would be spouted.

And the politics of it would kick in, pressure groups, from the legit to the downright wacky, would seek to co-opt him whether he wanted it or not.

Or maybe nothing out of the ordinary would happen.

I suspect not knowing which way it would pan out, goes a long way to explaining why it's not happened.

Spot on. The player then becomes “a role model” (how I dislike that term) for every gay person on the planet, rather than just someone who wants to go and play football with his team mates.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

No top elite footballer is going to come out, it would cost him a fortune in loss of endorsements etc, regardless of the difficult headlines and media attention.

Someone I know well and trust that works high up in football told be about a ex rag player who was gay, he went on to become one of the most famous players in the game, got "married" and "had kids" but it was all a business arrangement as he had enormous endorsements of tens of millions a season. Still in the game and still has the pretending lifestyle.

I know this one, everyone knows this one.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I know this one, everyone knows this one.

I don’t. But to be honest I’m not that bothered about knowing either

 

[IcriedwhenTueartleft]

Just saw this:



Religion is so messed up. You can be openly homophobic if you want as long as you hide behind “religious reasons”.

This whole rainbow laces stuff is such a virtue signaling exercise by the PL, IMO they should focus on things which are more prevalent & far more dangerous, such as levels of domestic abuse & violence against women…but that won’t earn them nearly as many brownie points on the moral grandstanding scale. For some reason they choose to ignore that.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This whole rainbow laces stuff is such a virtue signaling exercise by the PL, IMO they should focus on things which are more prevalent & far more dangerous, such as levels of domestic abuse & violence against women…but that won’t earn them nearly as many brownie points on the moral grandstanding scale. For some reason they choose to ignore that.

I reckon there are far more misogynists in the terraces than homophobes.

Talking of misogyny...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9q4zvwldvo

PinkNews bosses accused of sexual misconduct​

The couple who run PinkNews, the world's largest LGBT news website, have been accused by staff of multiple incidents of sexual misconduct.

"Allegations of misogyny have emerged and several people told us that some young female members of staff had been asked to act as the couple's surrogates....

One anonymous staff member called it "creepy and sleazy", while another called it "part and parcel" of how "misogynistic" PinkNews was."

Think of all the shit men get up to, then imagine how much shit they could get up to, if you give them a free pass coz they're gay.

 

[hallsteve62]

He will kiss any arse, man woman or beast, to get him in the news.. He’s worse than Mutley for wanting medals …
Can’t stand the twat…Or his weasel wife …:-)

Mutley lol. Quality!

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I reckon there are far more misogynists in the terraces than homophobes.

Talking of misogyny...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9q4zvwldvo

PinkNews bosses accused of sexual misconduct​

The couple who run PinkNews, the world's largest LGBT news website, have been accused by staff of multiple incidents of sexual misconduct.

"Allegations of misogyny have emerged and several people told us that some young female members of staff had been asked to act as the couple's surrogates....

One anonymous staff member called it "creepy and sleazy", while another called it "part and parcel" of how "misogynistic" PinkNews was."

Think of all the shit men get up to, then imagine how much shit they could get up to, if you give them a free pass coz they're gay.

The thing you've got to remember about gay men is that they're men. And so they still do all of the creepy shit that straight men do.

(Yes, only some men, because apparently we've got to spell everything out these days in case someone deliberately misunderstands you).

Incidentally, I think misogyny is something that would be a very worthwhile cause that's relevant to football, but I can't help but think that if a campaign was started about it in football, all of the same people that are against rainbow laces would be moaning about that as well. It'd be quite funny watching Antony refusing the wear the armband because he doesn't agree with it though.

Anyway, the rainbow laces campaign is done for another year and FIFA is about to award its biggest competition to a country where homosexuality is illegal for the third time in four World Cups. So obviously a job well done.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The thing you've got to remember about gay men is that they're men. And so they still do all of the creepy shit that straight men do.

(Yes, only some men, because apparently we've got to spell everything out these days in case someone deliberately misunderstands you).

Incidentally, I think misogyny is something that would be a very worthwhile cause that's relevant to football, but I can't help but think that if a campaign was started about it in football, all of the same people that are against rainbow laces would be moaning about that as well. It'd be quite funny watching Antony refusing the wear the armband because he doesn't agree with it though.

Anyway, the rainbow laces campaign is done for another year and FIFA is about to award its biggest competition to a country where homosexuality is illegal for the third time in four World Cups. So obviously a job well done.

If football were to take a stand against domestic violence, rather than label it a stand against misogyny, I think it would have traction.

I disagree that.....

all of the same people that are against rainbow laces would be moaning about that as well.

It is undeniable that in poll after poll, throughout the west and North America, support for gay organisations and the rights they have fought for have fallen, I believe this is the first time this has happened since the 80s and AIDS.

Something else is going on here.

 

[.db.]

This whole rainbow laces stuff is such a virtue signaling exercise by the PL, IMO they should focus on things which are more prevalent & far more dangerous, such as levels of domestic abuse & violence against women…but that won’t earn them nearly as many brownie points on the moral grandstanding scale. For some reason they choose to ignore that.

They need to fuck all this sort of shit off and tackle all the diving and feigning injury which is ruining the sport. That sort of thing is actually an issue to the sport.

All the virtue signalling is a load of utter bollocks.

 

[Crooked_rain]

I suppose it varies by country. In the US I can imagine it's a problem. And Africa and any other socially underdeveloped country :)

On the other hand, in Thailand it's almost a given that entertainers are homosexual one way or the other and in Korea a musician's sexual identities are "manufactured" to appeal to various demographics.

Surprised if it's much of an issue in the UK, though .....

Anyway, back to football :)

Is that true?

I live in Seoul and work in music and it's still very much a "conservative" place when it comes to sexuality in the public domain. No celebrities are openly gay here as far as i know. Of course gay people exist here but it's certainly never spoken about in the media. Sexuality is never really talked about in the media at all.

I've certainty never heard of pop stars having their sexualities manufactured to appeal to different demographics here. It wouldn't fly. Not sure where you've read or watched that, but as someone who is in the music industry in Korea, I can safely say that's not correct.

If anything, those boy bands here are probably handled like they were in the 90s in the UK..i.e if there's a gay member, they won't (be allowed to) come out at the time because of their teenage girl fanbase.

Thailand is basically an anomaly in Asia in terms of being more open about sexuality, maybe the Philippines a little. But the likes of Japan, China, Korea etc..it's basically still a topic that's kept in the dark.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I live in Seoul and work in music and it's still very much a "conservative" place when it comes to sexuality in the public domain. No celebrities are openly gay here as far as i know. Of course gay people exist here but it's certainly never spoken about in the media. Sexuality is never really talked about in the media at all.

I've certainty never heard of pop stars having their sexualities manufactured to appeal to different demographics here. It wouldn't fly. Not sure where you've read or watched that, but as someone who is in the music industry in Korea, I can safely say that's not correct.

If anything, those boy bands here are probably handled like they were in the 90s in the UK..i.e if there's a gay member, they won't (be allowed to) come out at the time because of their teenage girl fanbase.

Thailand is basically an anomaly in Asia in terms of being more open about sexuality, maybe the Philippines a little. But the likes of Japan, China, Korea etc..it's basically still a topic that's kept in the dark.

Yes, Thailand is a little strange in that it has still, by and large, a very conservative population, but is very liberal on matters of sexual orientation. Maybe it's a Buddhist thing. On the whole, I approve of Buddhism.

Anyway, K-pop. You will presumably know more about this than I do, but I don't have a lot of time about for how it appears to me it is run. They take young kids aged 12-13, give them contracts which are tantamount to slave contracts, make them live together, monitor them 24/7, feed them as they see fit, over-work them, sexualise them, deprive them of a childhood and, as they get older either discard them before they are 20 into a world they are totally unprepared for (how many have committed suicide?), or give them new contracts which forbid any relationships, homosexual or not, and invent stories of relationships that sell to a particular demographic, completely controlling individual endorsements and all for little reward (at the beginning certainly) even making them reimburse costs of training since they started. The political aspect I don't like, either. K-pop as a political tool for portraying a mythical impression of Korean culture, leading to interference, misogyny and xenophobia in line with actual Korean politics and culture.

Sorry for that. You can tell me in DM where I am wrong. I don't suppose anyone else is interested :)

What is it you do in the music business there?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Yes, Thailand is a little strange in that it has still, by and large, a very conservative population, but is very liberal on matters of sexual orientation. Maybe it's a Buddhist thing. On the whole, I approve of Buddhism.

Most countries that aren't Christian or Muslim have never had the idea that homosexuality is a sin (and the ones that do typically had a long period of direct rule by a colonial power - most of India's shitty laws date back to British rule). So it ends up being a curiosity rather than something that people have strong moral views about, except when it clashes with other things (like marrying someone of the opposite sex and starting a family, which is seen as an economic need as much as anything in poorer countries). You get a lot of that 'not in this family' nonsense, where people have no issue with gay people, as long as it's not their kid.

I'm in Vietnam, which is similar in some ways (although still behind Thailand in terms of official recognition). What you often hear here is this idea that gay people aren't really the gender that they are, perhaps because the 'effeminate' gay men and 'butch' lesbian women are the most visible. So the main backlash and discrimination against gay people is perhaps more that they don't outwardly conform to traditional gender roles. Having said that, I've definitely heard people expressing disgust around gay sex. I don't know if that would be the same in Thailand.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Most countries that aren't Christian or Muslim have never had the idea that homosexuality is a sin (and the ones that do typically had a long period of direct rule by a colonial power - most of India's shitty laws date back to British rule). So it ends up being a curiosity rather than something that people have strong moral views about, except when it clashes with other things (like marrying someone of the opposite sex and starting a family, which is seen as an economic need as much as anything in poorer countries). You get a lot of that 'not in this family' nonsense, where people have no issue with gay people, as long as it's not their kid.

I'm in Vietnam, which is similar in some ways (although still behind Thailand in terms of official recognition). What you often hear here is this idea that gay people aren't really the gender that they are, perhaps because the 'effeminate' gay men and 'butch' lesbian women are the most visible. So the main backlash and discrimination against gay people is perhaps more that they don't outwardly conform to traditional gender roles. Having said that, I've definitely heard people expressing disgust around gay sex. I don't know if that would be the same in Thailand.

I don't think sex is discussed much at all in Thailand, other than it traditionally being something men did to women. I think that is common in most male-dominated, conservative cultures.

It's changing, though, with women becoming more empowered. A couple of examples:

The mother of a friend of ours is divorced, in her sixties and has no interest in getting re-married. She just pays for sex with a young guy whenever she wants it.

And

There is a social media trend towards women who have casual sex, professional or other, to name and rate their counterpart for others to review. Needless to say, you have to be pretty good to get a good rating from a Thai prostitute and pretty good with more tlc to get a good rating from casual participants.

You have (one has, not you particularly) been warned!