Honestly who is/was better?

[route46]

did he not get depression????????

 

[franksinatra]

There seems no way of putting this truly futile "debate" to death, and there has this day been another attempt to start yet another thread on this, which seems to have been ended by the moderators.

Whatever the rights and the wrongs of the issue, it seems to be the pro-Kinkladze faction who continually start this up.

We dont know that as the guy who started the thread never expressed an opinion

Contrary to the assertion of a more reasonable and balanced member of the faction, there have been many assertions that Kinkladze was more skilful, perhaps much more skilful, than Silva, and certainly much better to watch. It is not true that the only demeaning comments have been about Kinkladze, there have been plenty about Silva - either directly or by inference.


The thread was aimed at comparing the two, I preferred to watch Kinkladze its not a reflection in any way on Silva, just an appreciation of Kinkladze. I also prefer watching Silva over De jong thats not demeaning in anyway to De jong

But why bother about Silva? I know of Kinkladze largely from the assertions in this forum. From these I learn that Kinkladze was at least as skilful as Messi, Maradona, CRonaldo etc.etc., if not more so.

Ive never seen a player with the grace, close control and ability to beat players like Kinkladze and to me in this aspect of his game he is worthy of comparison with the Messi's Maradona's. Yet there were limitations to his play and and Kinkladze supports have stated this, not seen anyone say Kinkladze is as good a goal scorer as messi.

In fact he must go down in history as the most remarkable footballer ever in the history not just of Man.City but of football in England, Europe, and the World, if not in "Life,the Universe etc.etc."

99% of fans have stated Silva is better on this thread, including myself who adores Kinkladze as a footballer, your just twisting statements or using one or two comments to beat Kinkladze supporters with. Its childish.

He is remarkable in that he is either the most underrated footballer ever, and by a long way - or that he the greatest underachiever.

Probably the greatest underachiever, but for one or two years for the club I support he shone brightly.Let's compare Kinkladze not with Messi, Maradona etc, let alone the vastly inferior Silva.

Let's compare him instead with his Georgian compatriot and contemporary, Shota Arveladze. Although he never played in the EPL, Arveladze's overall record was much better than Kinkladze. He has been described as the best Georgian player by Georgian professional footballers.

If Kinkladze had the talent of Messi, Maradona etc., what might Arveladze have possessed?

Exactly he underachieved, thats a universally accepted opinion. Still he was an incredible player. Joey Barton will probably end up having a more successful career, but without question never had half the talent.

 

[Jack74]

people who dont think the kinkladze of his debut season wouldnt get into r current team must watch a different game to me.

They do I wouldnt mind , but the guys who know football would b likely 2 say messi is the best player in the world which is right as he is ,is it cause of work rate or passing or just want I think cause he is the best dribbler by a mile

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[route46]

people question kinkys workrate as a reason he wouldnt get in the current team but was it any worst then balotelli

 

[Jack74]

So what went wrong at Ajax?

Marvin I will repeat myself this discussion is not about Derby Ajax or Valencia its about when playin 4 this great football club and 1 player could have fucked off and didnt when he should have left

 

[franksinatra]

people who dont think the kinkladze of his debut season wouldnt get into r current team must watch a different game to me.

They do I wouldnt mind , but the guys who know football would b likely 2 say messi is the best player in the world which is right as he is ,is it cause of work rate or passing or just want I think cause he is the best dribbler by a mile

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Kinkladze had one incredible talent, the control of the football and his ability to beat a man, in that sense he compares with Messi. Other aspects of the game Messi beats him hands down without question. Still as a dribbler he had few equals

 

[Jack74]

people who dont think the kinkladze of his debut season wouldnt get into r current team must watch a different game to me.

They do I wouldnt mind , but the guys who know football would b likely 2 say messi is the best player in the world which is right as he is ,is it cause of work rate or passing or just want I think cause he is the best dribbler by a mile

MCFC OK

Kinkladze had one incredible talent, the control of the football and his ability to beat a man, in that sense he compares with Messi. Other aspects of the game Messi beats him hands down without question. Still as a dribbler he had few equalse]

So if Messi gets the ball at the nou camp u would stand up if insista or xavi got it would u stand up ?
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[franksinatra]

They do I wouldnt mind , but the guys who know football would b likely 2 say messi is the best player in the world which is right as he is ,is it cause of work rate or passing or just want I think cause he is the best dribbler by a mile

MCFC OK

Kinkladze had one incredible talent, the control of the football and his ability to beat a man, in that sense he compares with Messi. Other aspects of the game Messi beats him hands down without question. Still as a dribbler he had few equalse]

So if Messi gets the ball at the nou camp u would stand up if insista or xavi got it would u stand up ?
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Yes Messi like Kinkladze have the ability to get you of your feet. Xavi and Iniesta you appreciate in a different way.They dont create the same level of excitement, you just sit there and drool at there overall game. Not sure of your point though

 

[Frank H]

There seems no way of putting this truly futile "debate" to death, and there has this day been another attempt to start yet another thread on this, which seems to have been ended by the moderators.

Whatever the rights and the wrongs of the issue, it seems to be the pro-Kinkladze faction who continually start this up.

We dont know that as the guy who started the thread never expressed an opinion

Contrary to the assertion of a more reasonable and balanced member of the faction, there have been many assertions that Kinkladze was more skilful, perhaps much more skilful, than Silva, and certainly much better to watch. It is not true that the only demeaning comments have been about Kinkladze, there have been plenty about Silva - either directly or by inference.


The thread was aimed at comparing the two, I preferred to watch Kinkladze its not a reflection in any way on Silva, just an appreciation of Kinkladze. I also prefer watching Silva over De jong thats not demeaning in anyway to De jong

But why bother about Silva? I know of Kinkladze largely from the assertions in this forum. From these I learn that Kinkladze was at least as skilful as Messi, Maradona, CRonaldo etc.etc., if not more so.

Ive never seen a player with the grace, close control and ability to beat players like Kinkladze and to me in this aspect of his game he is worthy of comparison with the Messi's Maradona's. Yet there were limitations to his play and and Kinkladze supports have stated this, not seen anyone say Kinkladze is as good a goal scorer as messi.

In fact he must go down in history as the most remarkable footballer ever in the history not just of Man.City but of football in England, Europe, and the World, if not in "Life,the Universe etc.etc."

99% of fans have stated Silva is better on this thread, including myself who adores Kinkladze as a footballer, your just twisting statements or using one or two comments to beat Kinkladze supporters with. Its childish.

He is remarkable in that he is either the most underrated footballer ever, and by a long way - or that he the greatest underachiever.

Probably the greatest underachiever, but for one or two years for the club I support he shone brightly.Let's compare Kinkladze not with Messi, Maradona etc, let alone the vastly inferior Silva.

Let's compare him instead with his Georgian compatriot and contemporary, Shota Arveladze. Although he never played in the EPL, Arveladze's overall record was much better than Kinkladze. He has been described as the best Georgian player by Georgian professional footballers.

If Kinkladze had the talent of Messi, Maradona etc., what might Arveladze have possessed?

Exactly he underachieved, thats a universally accepted opinion. Still he was an incredible player. Joey Barton will probably end up having a more successful career, but without question never had half the talent.

As one of the most balanced and reasonable of the pro-Kinkladze faction, I don't think you have acknowledged enough the absurdities of some of your co-factionists. Some of them clearly don't think much of Silva ("only 2 goals in a season etc", as if Silva's main function was as a striker). And to talk as if Kinky were of a general level as Messi etc. is simply absurd. I suspect that very few Georgians would agree - my point conc. Arveladze was not entirely serious, but isn't entirely humorous.

I have no axe to grind pro- or anti-Kinkladze. It might be that when looked at in greater detail and with hindsight, his career might have been a sad case of being largely in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or it might have been mental problems - as another poster seems to suggest - although that seems conjecture, and in any case is not an excuse for underachievement (witness Paul Gascoigne - for one).

But my main gripe is really the futility of this sort of "debate". That doesn't mean that, purely for fun, there shouldn't be threads like this from time to time, but the frequency of Kinkladze vs Silva threads, as with the pro-Dzeko threads/posts, suggests a lack of "balance" in the football appreciation of some fans.

(And given a choice between watching a great passer and a great dribbler, I would personally prefer the former - that's a personal preference, as is yours for the latter)

 

[Jack74]

Frank my point is 1 thing , is Messi the best player in the world I agree he is , why cause he can dribble past 10 players and score if any1 wants 2 say its cause of his application work rate , passing r wrong its cause with the ball at his feet he is best player in the world and just 4 what it is worth the best player ever , now do u really think Silva can beat half a team and score in a premier league game ?

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