Hostage situation in Sydney

[Bigga]

I understand all that, but I also think it's being overly played with caution. The man has a bag on his back and he's moving pretty freely with it. I think it means that whatever is in it is pretty lightweight. I don't think he has anything strapped to him that's live.

I think a head shot is a viable option.

Its the only option if he has a vest on, take out the cerebral cortex, stop him pressing the tit

I meant that the detonator could be activated not manually,if he`s shot dead outright,but when falling another detonator could be attached to the bag and on impact to the floor ... or just maybe I watch to many Spooks and Homeland series.

I'm not using the 'shoot him' line as if it's something you should just do. I have used reasoning from his actions. Who the fook demands an ISIS flag and a 10 hour + wait to speak to the PM?? Has he even mentioned a bomb yet??

A GENUINE terrorist would have given a time for things to happen AND had his own flag, but this cheapskate wants things done for him! A genuine terrorist would have blown up himself and the hostages by now. He's bluffing about a bomb. I might be wrong, but...

Shoot the fooker.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Not wanting to trivialise it, and obviously hope everyone gets out unhurt, but this strikes me as being really smalltime for a supposed terrorist attack. One guy holding people hostage in a cafe? It's the sort of thing you'd expect from some redneck who failed to succesfully rob the place, not someone with any kind of plan. If he does only have a gun, it's seems odd that this has gone on this long.

I think you might be missing the point somewhat.
The point is global publicity. He's got that. It's exactly the type of thing that these Muslim Fundamentalists want. This is just the same as the beheading in the UK. A single act that put's the fear of Allah into the general population. You don't need to bring down the world trade centre to get your message across. In fact these type of "smalltime" terrorist attacks are more effective because they take little skill or planning and have a huge effect on the population they are trying to terrorise.

As for sniping through windows. What happens if you miss and kill a hostage?

 

[Bluemanc100]

Not wanting to trivialise it, and obviously hope everyone gets out unhurt, but this strikes me as being really smalltime for a supposed terrorist attack. One guy holding people hostage in a cafe? It's the sort of thing you'd expect from some redneck who failed to succesfully rob the place, not someone with any kind of plan. If he does only have a gun, it's seems odd that this has gone on this long.

I think you might be missing the point somewhat.
The point is global publicity. He's got that. It's exactly the type of thing that these Muslim Fundamentalists want. This is just the same as the beheading in the UK. A single act that put's the fear of Allah into the general population. You don't need to bring down the world trade centre to get your message across. In fact these type of "smalltime" terrorist attacks are more effective because they take little skill or planning and have a huge effect on the population they are trying to terrorise.

As for sniping through windows. What happens if you miss and kill a hostage?

Unlucky hostage I would say, it's all about the greater good for me (easy for me to say as I am not the hostage)

 

[stony]

Not wanting to trivialise it, and obviously hope everyone gets out unhurt, but this strikes me as being really smalltime for a supposed terrorist attack. One guy holding people hostage in a cafe? It's the sort of thing you'd expect from some redneck who failed to succesfully rob the place, not someone with any kind of plan. If he does only have a gun, it's seems odd that this has gone on this long.

I think you might be missing the point somewhat.
The point is global publicity. He's got that. It's exactly the type of thing that these Muslim Fundamentalists want. This is just the same as the beheading in the UK. A single act that put's the fear of Allah into the general population. You don't need to bring down the world trade centre to get your message across. In fact these type of "smalltime" terrorist attacks are more effective because they take little skill or planning and have a huge effect on the population they are trying to terrorise.

As for sniping through windows. What happens if you miss and kill a hostage?

Unlucky hostage I would say, it's all about the greater good for me (easy for me to say as I am not the hostage)

What if it turns out to be a fake gun and a rucksack full of cabbages after the police have blown the head off an innocent hostage?
Is that for the greater good too?

Just shooting him is not as easy as some of you are making out. It's real life, not Call of Duty.

 

[TCIB]

He has to sleep soon.

 

[stony]

He has to sleep soon.

Good idea, then they can send Freddy Krueger after him.

 

[TCIB]

He has to sleep soon.

Good idea, then they can send Freddy Krueger after him.

Lol, bastardo.

 

[Bluemanc100]

I think you might be missing the point somewhat.
The point is global publicity. He's got that. It's exactly the type of thing that these Muslim Fundamentalists want. This is just the same as the beheading in the UK. A single act that put's the fear of Allah into the general population. You don't need to bring down the world trade centre to get your message across. In fact these type of "smalltime" terrorist attacks are more effective because they take little skill or planning and have a huge effect on the population they are trying to terrorise.

As for sniping through windows. What happens if you miss and kill a hostage?

Unlucky hostage I would say, it's all about the greater good for me (easy for me to say as I am not the hostage)

What if it turns out to be a fake gun and a rucksack full of cabbages after the police have blown the head off an innocent hostage?
Is that for the greater good too?

Just shooting him is not as easy as some of you are making out. It's real life, not Call of Duty.

The rule says "if you think there is a risk to the life of the hostage and there is no other way to prevent the danger"

The question about replica or real gun is irrelevant

And I was in plenty of real situations like this during two tours in Iraq.... never played COD

Put it this way, if I had to make a decision, I'd shoot, if I honestly thought it best

 

[stony]

Unlucky hostage I would say, it's all about the greater good for me (easy for me to say as I am not the hostage)

What if it turns out to be a fake gun and a rucksack full of cabbages after the police have blown the head off an innocent hostage?
Is that for the greater good too?

Just shooting him is not as easy as some of you are making out. It's real life, not Call of Duty.

The rule says "if you think there is a risk to the life of the hostage and there is no other way to prevent the danger"

The question about replica or real gun is irrelevant

And I was in plenty of real situations like this during two tours in Iraq.... never played COD

Put it this way, if I had to make a decision, I'd shoot, if I honestly thought it best

Then what if the bomb is real and the glass deflects the bullet enough so he has the time to detonate it?

Snipers are trained that unless they are straight on and the target is very close to the glass, they will not fire. The only other option is using a second sniper to shoot the glass first, but the timing has to be spot on and you also increase the risk of the first shot hitting a hostage.
The people in charge are professionals who have been trained to deal with these types of situation. If they haven't taken him out, then there will be a good reason.

 

[Bluemanc100]

What if it turns out to be a fake gun and a rucksack full of cabbages after the police have blown the head off an innocent hostage?
Is that for the greater good too?

Just shooting him is not as easy as some of you are making out. It's real life, not Call of Duty.

The rule says "if you think there is a risk to the life of the hostage and there is no other way to prevent the danger"

The question about replica or real gun is irrelevant

And I was in plenty of real situations like this during two tours in Iraq.... never played COD

Put it this way, if I had to make a decision, I'd shoot, if I honestly thought it best

Then what if the bomb is real and the glass deflects the bullet enough so he has the time to detonate it?

Snipers are trained that unless they are straight on and the target is very close to the glass, they will not fire. The only other option is using a second sniper to shoot the glass first, but the timing has to be spot on and you also increase the risk of the first shot hitting a hostage.
The people in charge are professionals who have been trained to deal with these types of situation. If they haven't taken him out, then there will be a good reason.

I'm not arguing

The guy behind the rifle is under orders and even if told to take the shot, will make the call himself

It has to be a last resort and be the only way to prevent the danger to life