How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

It would be cowardly if he had a cat in hell’s chance of winning a General Election outright. For me, he’s competing for those seats in England and Wales that will get Labour within touching distance, but he’ll need the support of either the Liberal Democrats or SNP, maybe even both, if he wants to be choosing wallpaper for Downing Street. It’s for the voters in those areas that he’s tailoring his approach.
Which makes me think, maybe he knows that and knows that part of any deal with the SNP or Liberal Democrats would give him the cover needed to adopt their policies of SM / CU membership as a condition of coalition. He may even be counting on it, that would make more sense than him just closing the door on it so far out from an election.
 
Which makes me think, maybe he knows that and knows that part of any deal with the SNP or Liberal Democrats would give him the cover needed to adopt their policies of SM / CU membership as a condition of coalition. He may even be counting on it, that would make more sense than him just closing the door on it so far out from an election.
Fair point
 
As for Dover I have noticed an interesting change in language - remember also the head of the Port of Dover is a staunch pro-Leaver.

Friday and Saturday were a fiasco which they felt could only be explained away by blaming the French. When that was refuted and proved incorrect there was a bit of fucking about and things started to get back into some sort of order the Head of the Port of Dover started claiming everything was "back to normal" and this is the important bit "within the Port of Dover facility" and he went on to rightly stress that he has no jurisdiction over what happens on the roads outside. That was jumped on by the Govt and Tory pundits that all was now well. There are reports overnight of 21 hour delays to get into the Port of Dover facility.

The Govt today are pointing out - rightly - we were never in the Schengen Group of countries and that there was also a requirement to show passports to enter EU countries. However that was a cursory wave of the passport and the delays are caused by the necessary checks and stamping of passports to prove dates in and out of the EU - something that the Govt itself insisted on in negotiations but seem to keep forgetting to mention - which inevitably takes longer. They are also avoiding mention that prior to Dover the news stories were full of the problems at airports. These are now off the front page for fear of highlighting the two issues which can then be conjoined. The fact is that by trying to play the blame game they are highlighting all the lies - Johnson NEVER got Brexit done and we have NOT taken back control. All this talk of punishment for us is bollocks - if they wanted to punish us just don't man any border posts keep the barriers down agitate the French Border Agents Union and get them to strike and it would show how little control taking back control has won us.

The only bit we now seem to have in control is the short drive from the entrance to the Port of Dover to the border posts which they have got down to one hour. Outside in Kent it remains chaos and at our insistence the process of leaving the country is greatly slowed down.
Work camp Britain!
 
Which makes me think, maybe he knows that and knows that part of any deal with the SNP or Liberal Democrats would give him the cover needed to adopt their policies of SM / CU membership as a condition of coalition. He may even be counting on it, that would make more sense than him just closing the door on it so far out from an election.
That’s quite possible though I doubt there is any ‘deal’ in place, just a non-aggression pact . If the final numbers do call for a coalition, then the horse trading will be interesting.
 
The Tory party have been in power over a decade and for the majority of the time have been busier fighting each other than running the country.
Unfortunately they have managed to blame the resulting economic chaos on the EU. In this the right wing press have enabled them.
Too many people were guilty of swallowing their bullshit rather than engaging their brains.

The Tory party are like the Titanic, they're going down, their only lifeboat is named Brexit. And they're all scrambling to get aboard. It will remain a national myth for a long time. Even if we re-enter the EU it will hang around like a zombie that just won't die.
 
It would be cowardly if he had a cat in hell’s chance of winning a General Election outright. For me, he’s competing for those seats in England and Wales that will get Labour within touching distance, but he’ll need the support of either the Liberal Democrats or SNP, maybe even both, if he wants to be choosing wallpaper for Downing Street. It’s for the voters in those areas that he’s tailoring his approach.
The polls say 60% + now think Brexit was a mistake. To me ruling out even joining the SM will simply drive potential labour voters to the Lib Dems. Time for him to be clear what he thinks is best for the country and fight for it with as much passion he has got. His position round Europe has been cowardly from day 1.
I heard Wes Streeting rule out any collaboration with the Lib Dems last week. They are certainly making it hard for themselves.
 
The polls say 60% + now think Brexit was a mistake. To me ruling out even joining the SM will simply drive potential labour voters to the Lib Dems. Time for him to be clear what he thinks is best for the country and fight for it with as much passion he has got. His position round Europe has been cowardly from day 1.
I heard Wes Streeting rule out any collaboration with the Lib Dems last week. They are certainly making it hard for themselves.
All three parties will vehmently deny that they’re in cahoots, and let’s be honest, just because 60% now appreciate that it was a mistake, it still does not give Labour enough room to manoeuvre in those key areas in which it must win. Ironically, that message could well work to Labour’s advantage in Scotland, but that in turn would not see them winning Conservative seats. Of course, none of this will be enough to satisfy those who want conviction politicians and clear statements up front, but given that it was that kind of politics that saw Labour face an eighty-seat Conservative majority in the first place, then I can understand why they are playing the long game.

As I‘ve always said, it will take incredible levels of voter education to see the three parties overturn the Johnson majority in one Parliament, and if it fails, then Starmer will look back, with hindsight…, and wonder whether he should have ridden the SM wave.
 

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