How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

somapop said:
Few variables of how much of that apathy 'vote' (who were likely a mix of many reasons for not voting) were comprised of e.g. little faith in voting, expecting a guaranteed Remain vote, not arsed...).
Add that to (I'd imagine at this stage) a malnourished leave vote and I feel there'd be a clear swing.

But absolutely concur with lots above. Perhaps too early for Labour to go there and I think we really need to go rock bottom (as much as this nation) can before a return is mooted.
That punishment needs to be as tangible as possible and these right wing ideologues (and those they empowered, albeit briefly) rammed back into their noncey bonces.
Downside of this is we've all suffered and the plan to polarise people is all but complete, but that's also an wider issue.

Certainly feels like we'll be a changed nation after all this: not just Brexit but the fall out from the poundland Machiavellis behind this car crash.
Could be wrong of course.
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Good points. My only concern would be with the idea of waiting until rock bottom has been reached. For one, it may be a slow indeterminate decline but one where years of stagnation actually mask any downward movement. Alternatively, the U.K. could hit rock bottom quite sharply in the next two years and then start to show slow signs of recovery, but that could give hope to the desperate that the promised sunlit uplands are near.
 
blueish swede said:
I'm not sure you're right. The UK won't be voting to go back to the old situation with the EU, less the pound, it will be applying to join anew, and all the rules and legislation that apply to new members will apply to the UK:
The Euro,
Schengen,
CFR (rights charter)
and security and freedom (AFSJ)
Combined, they will probably win it for the "No" side for the next 3-4 decades.

Secondly, both Labour and the Tories are split on the EU. I find it hard to see a Gov't in power long enough to push through a referendum and a negotiation to rejoin.
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Labour is not split. Nearly everyone agrees Brexit is an awful mistake but there's no point going to the country with a policy of rejoining.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
They’ll let us back in, as long as we’re willing to pay the price.
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The deal they all want is, rather bizarrely, slightly worse than the deal we had…
In 50 years time it’ll be a case study in how easily hubris can result in self flagellation and what a footnote that’ll be to the 21st largest economy in the world!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The deal they all want is, rather bizarrely, slightly worse than the deal we had…
In 50 years time it’ll be a case study in how easily hubris can result in self flagellation and what a footnote that’ll be to the 21st largest economy in the world!
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When you think about it, from the end of WW2 to the 70s we were in decline as a nation. Without a doubt. And from 2016 to now we have been In decline. Again, without a doubt.

I wonder what the common denominator was in the intervening period…

‘Taking back control’ should be substituted for ‘fulfilling our destiny’.

The scale of this fuck up is truly epic, and made more so, as you say, because it was rooted in hubris. Misconceived, ill-judged and misinformed hubris. We deserve our fall, as does anybody or anything that overreaches and ungraciously thinks it doesn’t need those that made them what they were.

We’re the guy in the successful boy band who thinks he can do better with a solo career and ends up doing gigs in backstreet pubs a few years later while his erstwhile bandmates continue to sell out stadiums.

An act of vainglorious insanity.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
People have been triumphantly predicting the demise of the EU and The Euro in particular for years. If you look across the Atlantic and see the huge divisions socially and politically in the US, that Federation is far more likely to fracture.
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The US is already badly damaged and if they re elect Trump in another two years the damage will be terminal and the Union destroyed.
 
Keeper! said:
The US is already badly damaged and if they re elect Trump in another two years the damage will be terminal and the Union destroyed.
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Personally think it will take longer than that, even if he is, but in the long term I fear it’s inevitable. They are too divided, too socially and religiously different on too many keys issues, and social media has, and will continue to widen those divisions.

The EU appears to be heading in the opposite direction, which suggests that social media doesn’t make those fractures inevitable.
 
Tories do - I am pretty sure that there were so many factions competing for attention in the campaign up to the referendum and when they won I am certain that for many they realised that the bit they were big on - immigration - fishing - farming whatever were never going to work and the rest was going to fuck us all over but for Tories it has to remain a thing that they keep relevant to keep their Party together. There will come a point where Brexit has to be binned off they know that is the Point where the Tories become the Peoples Popular Front of Brexit and the Popular Front for Brexit and the Popular League of Brexit and so on. They cannot sort it out and it will have to dawn on them at some stage they need to go to the country and somehow manage not to lose too catastrophically and leave it to someone else to fix the intractable problem they created for themselves
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Couldn't shake the feeling that I'd seen that fuck ugly face before.

Former Big Brother contestant.

www.dailystar.co.uk

BIG BROTHER 11: Ben Duncan evicted

POSH Ben Duncan became the latest housemate to get the axe last night during a night of mayhem in the Big Brother house.
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says it all really - too unattractive for reality TV viewers too stupid for politics - whats next for him? A commission in the local yeomanry and an early death in Flanders used to be the correct form.
 
Keeper! said:
The US is already badly damaged and if they re elect Trump in another two years the damage will be terminal and the Union destroyed.
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Nah, can't see it. They've survived worse. Not trying to disrespect your opinion as I do respect it but that silly orange gobshite isn't a patch on the confederacy.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Yeah I'm all for looking after the diaspora but we probably need to tighten up the eligibility requirements. There's already something like 3m passport holders living abroad and another 50m+ with eligibility, imagine they all fucking decided to come here at once?
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Heard more on the news which I found surprising tonight.
The amount of UK residents born in Ireland has been falling steadily since its peak of circa 683k in the sixties and is now less than half that figure. Around 325k I think they said.

For the first time there are more UK born residents here in the Republic than the other way around.

It said the Irish are only the 5th largest ethnic group in Britain.

Who’d have thunk it?
 
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