How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Right two lies in this, one, he says the numbers are down for the first time in years so the governments plans are working. No, it is the weather you fool.

Two: It is not a complex problem.

It’s insanely complex.

 

[BrianW]

The real alternative to Brexit is to build a new continent 22 miles off our coast. This will be a major construction scheme, creating millions, perhaps billions of jobs. The starting point will be to fill in a large section of the Atlantic. We can call this new continent 'Atlantis'. Naturally, all the inhabitants will be white nominal Christians and speak English.

Once this new continent is populated by about 450 million people who are all as like us as possible, we can trade freely with it, and it will make up for our loss of the EU.

This may seem far-fetched, but it's more realistic than any of the alternatives to the EU so far proposed. Unless that is, you want to be a subsidiary of the USA, China or India.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It’s insanely complex.

You're right,

On top of the incompetent, expensive, make it up as you go along shit show, the corruption and the bewildering bureaucracy, there's the added complexity that arises when you have in the body politic, two distinct and completely incompatible views of the same problem.

On the one hand we have 30p Lee and the GB News, Farage crowd who just want these "economic migrants" stopped, which in practical terms cannot be done, coupled with the general view within the conservative blob that this isn't a processing issue, it's a deterrence issue, hence all that "hostile environment" stuff back in the day...

But for the Labour left this is solely an asylum claims issue, the likes of Owen Jones and the Guardian see a backlog, not of "economic migrants" but "asylum seekers" and the problem solved by setting up safe, legal routes to the UK, perhaps a UK asylum processing centre in France, the French have no objections.

These two approaches are incompatible, as they stem from different interpretations of the same problem, or even, as in the case of the Labour left, whether it's a problem at all. They're keen for these asylum seekers to be processed expeditiously, and either deported or active in our labour starved economy asap.

We all know Sunak is weak, but that is only a partial explanation for his failure, he fails because he's more Lee Anderson than Owen Jones, if only because he knows what little support he has left in the country is primarily anti immigrant. Streamlining the process might clear the backlog, but he fears that'll mean more Johnny foreigners staying and more Johnny foreigners potentially heading our way, and they don't like that sort of thing in the marginals he still hopes to cling onto.

And therein lies the rub.

Deputy Tory party chairman, Lee Anderson.

'F**k off back to France'

With the threat of Reform UK to his right, with Richard Tice threatening to field candidates in key seats at the next election, Sunak knows he's in the shitter. He may not be able to solve the "problem", but he must be seen to be tough in the process, while blaming lefty lawyers, Labour, Starmer and anyone vaguely liberal, for his inability to get it done (whatever it is).

In the meantime, whatever it is, complex or otherwise, it ain't getting done.

 

[Grassland Blue]

I just heard about a thing called B.R.I.C.S - an alternative to the G7 apparently (its on Newsnight in a bit). Perhaps we could join that?

Brazils in it, not sure who the others are.

Brazil, Russia, India and China.

 

[gill_undrhill]

Brazil, Russia, India and China.

Oh - I see a slight problem there!

On the one hand we have 30p Lee and the GB News, Farage crowd who just want these "economic migrants" stopped, which in practical terms cannot be done...

Why do you say that? I saw a recent interview on Newsnight with an Australian guy called Alexander Downer who described what they did to stop the boats coming to their country and it worked.

Why do you say ".... in practical terms (it) cannot be done"?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Oh - I see a slight problem there!



Why do you say that? I saw a recent interview on Newsnight with an Australian guy called Alexander Downer who described what they did to stop the boats coming to their country and it worked.

Why do you say ".... in practical terms (it) cannot be done"?

Australia allows asylum applications to be made in their Embassies / Consulates overseas .... they can therefore assume that anyone who tries to enter on a boat wouldn't pass one of the 5 asylum tests.

The UK doesn't accept asylum applications until you land on our shores.

 

[bluethrunthru]

we resolve it by letting India butt fuck us - and without lube

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

we resolve it by letting India butt fuck us - and without lube

Will Talk TV or GB News be claiming he is an asset of Modi's regime ?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Will Talk TV or GB News be claiming he is an asset of Modi's regime ?

Tice has taken the first racist baby steps in that direction

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Australia allows asylum applications to be made in their Embassies / Consulates overseas .... they can therefore assume that anyone who tries to enter on a boat wouldn't pass one of the 5 asylum tests.

The UK doesn't accept asylum applications until you land on our shores.

And then we don’t process them.