How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Vic]

This does bring us back to the question in the title though.

How do we recover from this? There won’t be another referendum before at least 2041 IMO, even if everyone in the country actually agreed it was a mistake.


Can we recover without rejoining? Or is this going to be the marker where we dropped out of the big boys club and become world middleweights like Italy or Canada.

Why not 2039 or 2040?

 

[East Level 2]

Why not 2039 or 2040?

I'm guessing he's working on a minimum of 25 years from the gross act of stupidity (or gullibility) in 2016.

 

[Alvin-blue-qhd]

Britain needs to make clear its national positioning. Become the leader of Europe; or as an ally of the United States, become the leader of the world; or become one of the poles in a multipolar world. The current difficulty is that Britain has left Europe, and as an ally of the United States, it has not received enough support. There are also some conflicts with countries that desire a multipolar world, such as the BRICS countries. People are confused about what the role of the UK is, and what kind of country the UK hopes to become.

 

[blueparrot]

This does bring us back to the question in the title though.

How do we recover from this? There won’t be another referendum before at least 2041 IMO, even if everyone in the country actually agreed it was a mistake.


Can we recover without rejoining? Or is this going to be the marker where we dropped out of the big boys club and become world middleweights like Italy or Canada.

We won't rejoin until we accept we are just a world middleweight, which we are ,or were. There is nothing wrong with that either most of the world including Italy and Canada are quite happy being just that.

 

[domalino]

Why not 2039 or 2040?

2041 is 25 years after 2016.

 

[west didsblue]

This does bring us back to the question in the title though.

How do we recover from this? There won’t be another referendum before at least 2041 IMO, even if everyone in the country actually agreed it was a mistake.


Can we recover without rejoining? Or is this going to be the marker where we dropped out of the big boys club and become world middleweights like Italy or Canada.

Within 10 years we’ll have a Norway or Switzerland type relationship with the EU without the need for a referendum imo. Probably also be associate members of the Schengen zone.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Within 10 years we’ll have a Norway or Switzerland type relationship with the EU without the need for a referendum imo. Probably also be associate members of the Schengen zone.

Norway and Switzerland have very different relationships with the EU, so which approach do you see as most likely for the UK?

If we go down the Norwegian route, why do you think that the UK could join the EEA without a referendum?

How would you deal with the major issues not covered by the EEA, and the lack of influence in forming new single market legislation?

Why would the UK need to be in Schengen when Ireland seems to cope fine without it?

Personally I think this idea that the UK will naturally gravitate back to the single market is a pipe dream - the UK will either apply to rejoin the EU proper, which will obviously require another referendum in X amount of years and realistically very firm political support across the major parties - or the UK will try to make the best of the current set-up with some additional bi-lateral agreements in specific areas.

The two options probably aren’t mutually exclusive but either way moving back into the single market ain’t happening quickly, and full EU membership is arguably more likely than the EEA option.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Things can change quickly. I can see the force of the argument of there being a 25 year gap, but if we get to over two thirds wishing the rejoin before 2041 then the pressure will become overwhelming.

It all depends how bad it gets.

In the meantime I accept we all need to appreciate that we aren’t rejoining for the foreseeable, but making the most of it depends on what tools are deployed to the task at hand, as presently there are very few.

 

[Vic]

Britain needs to make clear its national positioning. Become the leader of Europe; or as an ally of the United States, become the leader of the world; or become one of the poles in a multipolar world. The current difficulty is that Britain has left Europe, and as an ally of the United States, it has not received enough support. There are also some conflicts with countries that desire a multipolar world, such as the BRICS countries. People are confused about what the role of the UK is, and what kind of country the UK hopes to become.

I wasn't confused, but I am now.

 

[blueparrot]

Norway and Switzerland have very different relationships with the EU, so which approach do you see as most likely for the UK?

If we go down the Norwegian route, why do you think that the UK could join the EEA without a referendum?

How would you deal with the major issues not covered by the EEA, and the lack of influence in forming new single market legislation?

Why would the UK need to be in Schengen when Ireland seems to cope fine without it?

Personally I think this idea that the UK will naturally gravitate back to the single market is a pipe dream - the UK will either apply to rejoin the EU proper, which will obviously require another referendum in X amount of years and realistically very firm political support across the major parties - or the UK will try to make the best of the current set-up with some additional bi-lateral agreements in specific areas.

The two options probably aren’t mutually exclusive but either way moving back into the single market ain’t happening quickly, and full EU membership is arguably more likely than the EEA option.

We will have to reintegrate back towards the EU at some point, that's obvious.No party could rejoin without a referendum, they could if it's in a manifesto rejoin the single market / customs union. As that's the softest path back that's the most likely one taken. Whether that includes Schengen or doesn't, I don't really care.