How far will the fall be before evasive action is taken?

I agree with your comments about kids just sitting on the bench but I find it frustrating that a youngster, who got rave reviews last season north of the border, was shipped out yet again.
I feel the same about Patrick Roberts, supposedly a really promising youngster, but gone out for 18 months.
How are we ever going to get youngsters bloodied at the top level if we keep sending them out while buying older players. It is a conundrum

I also think it's harder for defenders to break in to a top side than attackers. With attackers you can give them minutes towards end of games against tired legs when games are won with little to no risk and blood them that way, with defenders it's a bit more difficult as any mistake can easily be punished and you don't generally change your defence unless it's forced upon you.

Think you have a point with Roberts. Big things are expected of him, he's touted as being the next in line after Kelechi to be ready to make the step up to the first team but by going on loan for 18 months we've seemingly already decided he's nowhere near ready yet.
 
apart from getting cut in two within 5 minutes of his debut by that snide dele alli , i've not seen him feature- hope that didn't affect his outlook too much..
 
How are we ever going to get youngsters bloodied at the top level if we keep sending them out while buying older players. It is a conundrum

Players with the potential to play for the first team in the future will develop far more quickly playing regular 1st team football at a loan club than they ever would playing in the reserves. In the meantime it's a result-orientated business so we (in theory!) employ players who are operating at the right level today. Theoretically then it's a good balance. Where we go wrong is that we rarely see youngsters return from these secondments to be integrated back into the Club/the 1st team. Plus the manager doesn't seem to have talent development down as one of his priority goals. Everyone is anticipating a change in this approach when PG takes-up his position.
 
You clearly care a lot about the club and are passionate, but I think you are looking in the wrong places to apportion blame here.

The squad of 2009/10 HAS been rejuvenated. It's been rejuvenated to the tune of 250 million quid.

For the last few years we've been saying we're too reliant on Silva, we need another creative force. We brought in the most creative player in Europe for £50million.

We've been saying we need some youth, we need some width, some pace. We brought in Sterling who is the best young prospect in England, even in Europe according to UEFA, for £45million.

People complained Lescott wasn't good enough on the ball, we need a centre half who can defend and is good on the ball. We brought in DeMichelis who is superb on the ball. We brought in a centre half who all of the biggest clubs in Europe were chasing in Mangala for £30million plus, we brought in the most highly rated centre back in Spain for £25million plus.

In midfield, people said Barry was too slow, can't get box to box, we need someone as good on the ball as Barry, who can also cover the yards that Yaya can't anymore. We brought in Fernandinho for £30million plus, and for my money he's the best box to box midfielder in the league this season.

We tried all summer to get the most highly rated midfielder in the world in Pogba to come. By all accounts we are still trying to get him to come. But getting players of that quality isn't easy. It took Madrid 3 years to finally land Ronaldo, but I'm sure they will all say it was worth the wait.

We've seen from Garcia, Fernando, Rodwell etc that buying average players who are easily gettable is not a sensible strategy for a club in our position. It's better to buy big and buy once instead of buying average and constantly having to replace them because they aren't good enough. I'm sure we'll be back in for Pogba this summer and players of his ilk, and we'll have a much better chance of getting them than ever before.

Of course we need strengthening at full back, and we'll definitely be bringing in at least 2 centre midfielders in my opinion. But based on our activity last summer, we brought in two attacking midfielders for nearly £100million which was possibly our biggest need. We also brought in a very highly rated centre half, and tried to get the best centre midfielder in the world. That one didn't come off. But in addition to them you are suggesting we should have brought in 2 new starting full backs last season.

That would have been 6 new starters! That's more than half a team, and would have cost around £300million to bring them all in during one summer! It's just not realistic.

Of course teams need rejuvenating every few years, but the fact is, we have been rejuvenated! We've brought in some of the most highly coveted players in Europe!

People were calling for Txiki to be knighted in the summer when he brought in De Bruyne, Sterling and Otamendi. The best teams in the world were chasing these guys, and we brought them all in. They've not all been as good as we expected, and now people are blaming that on recruitment?!! I just don't understand it. Everyone wanted these guys in the summer, and now they are not of the required standard?! I'm not having it.

The issue is not the recruitment. The issue is the management, it's so blatantly obvious that I can't believe any right minded individual can't see it.

How many players have improved during Pellegrini's reign? Go through the whole team. Kolarov? Maybe, for 5 or 6 games this season. Yaya in the title winning season, but now he looks like the ghost of Yaya Toure, so it's probably levelled itself out. Other than that, every player has either stayed the same or regressed.

It's too easy to say "Oh it's because they're older now, so they are bound to drop a level". I don't buy it. Kompany's form fell off a cliff last season, which some people seem to be forgetting. This despite the fact as a centre half he should be approaching his peak years. He actually should have improved based on age. Also Sterling and De Bruyne who weren't in our squad in 2010 have been much worse this season than they were in the previous two. Despite playing with better players.

Mangala and Fernando must be playing worse than when we bought them, otherwise we'd have never been interested! Otamendi must be worse than last season. He won La Liga defender of the season last year, and this year he is diving in like a cub scout on Smarties.

This manager took the best defence in the league for three years running and turned it in to a comedy side show. He actually added £75million worth of centre halves and made us much, much worse. Did we get unlucky in that 2 of the most highly rated centre halves in Europe actually turned out to be shite? Was is it just bad fortune that Kompany went from the best centre half in the league to one who gets laughed at on MOTD over the last 2 seasons? The only time any of our centre halves have shown decent form since Pellegrini got here was Kompany at the start of this season.

Nastasic was outstanding in his season under Mancini, and looked woefully out of his depth under Pellegrini. DeMichelis has done ok in patches, Mangala has potential but looks like an accident waiting to happen, Otamendi is clearly a top player, but his constant diving in and lack of concentration is costing us regularly. Kompany, as I said has had a dip in the last two seasons compared to previously. So out of the 5 centre backs Pellegrini has used, 4 have been clearly worse than they were previously. The only one who possibly remained the same is DeMichelis.

The other 4, two were already here and playing very well previously, so no blame for Txiki or recruitment there. Two were bought and were extremely highly rated. It surely can't be a coincidence that all 4 have regressed under Pellegrini's "management"?

So in short, yes the squad needs "tweaking" every year. That is the same at all top clubs. But to say the 2010 team needs "rejuvenating" is incorrect in my view. It's already been rejuvenated with some of the top talent in Europe. It's silly to say anyone who played in 2010 is incapable of playing now. Hart, Clichy, Zabba, Kompany, Silva, Nasri, Aguero are all very capable still at this level and at a decent age. In fact only Zabba is over 30, it's hardly Dad's Army.

From the core squad that won the first title clearly Yaya needs to move on, and in my view so does Kolarov. Other than that I don't see any major issues.

I've heard very good things about Angelino, so I'm sure he can come in to replace Kolarov, and we possibly need a new young right back. We definitely need a couple of centre mids to replace Yaya and Fernando. Hopefully one is Pogba. Other than that, I don't see the need for wholesale changes. The talent is there. They just need to be managed better.

Mancini got far more out of our defenders than Pellegrini does. I'm sure Guardiola will too. The issue isn't that our player's aren't good enough. The issue is the manager isn't, and next season will prove that beyond any doubt whatsoever.

De Brunye not as good as expected? Really?
 
De Brunye not as good as expected? Really?

Really.

He was outstanding off the bench against Everton.

His assists and goals record in his first few home games was excellent.

But his all round play has been below what I expected. He gives the ball away very cheaply, his goes missing for long periods in away games. When playing as a number 10 he doesn't get on the ball enough, or make himself available and dictate play as much as I was expecting.

Our best 6 performances this season came in the first 5 games when we won all 5 and didn't concede a goal. And when we went to Seville and absolute battered them. De Bruyne didn't play in any of those games.

He's a fantastic talent with huge potential to improve even further. But for £50million I expect him to come in and make the team better with him in it, that's not been the case in the main.

I'd also expect him to have an influence in the vast majority of games, not just cannon fodder like Newcastle, Sunderland and Palace at home.

West Ham are the only team in the top half of the table that he's had a good game against in the league, and we lost that one. I can't remember him playing well in a single away game.

So yeh, good, but not as good as expected.
 
I have seen PR play a couple of times in the Youth Cl. In my view, not yet a first team player.

Quite quck and has shown some good dribbling skills. Equally a little prone to hang on to the ball and run into situations where he loses it. Seems to prefer to try and take the ball on even when the better option might be to pass. His finishing has not always justified that approach.

I'd have thought regular games at a level below first team would be good for him.
 
Players with the potential to play for the first team in the future will develop far more quickly playing regular 1st team football at a loan club than they ever would playing in the reserves. In the meantime it's a result-orientated business so we (in theory!) employ players who are operating at the right level today. Theoretically then it's a good balance. Where we go wrong is that we rarely see youngsters return from these secondments to be integrated back into the Club/the 1st team. Plus the manager doesn't seem to have talent development down as one of his priority goals. Everyone is anticipating a change in this approach when PG takes-up his position.
Fully agree with your response
 

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