How much will J.Navas improve the team over J.Milner?

Bigga said:
Makes me wonder how much you actually know of Milner before he came to City...??

His main strengths are actually in midfield, but with Barry occupying a similar position to Milner's natural strengths, it seems logical to use JM's other bowstring of wide position/ winger(which he isn't, really).

My question now, to you, is should we then compare Jesús Navas to Milner in midfield...?

It would seem that it would be rather unfair to compare a player's secondary position to someone's primary; do you not think...??

Agreed Milner was sensational at Villa in central midfield. After the Arsenal game I'd play Milner in the middle to protect the back four and shove Yaya further forward where he is best suited. One up top Negredo for me with Silva and either Jovetic or Nevas.

So for me

Hart

Zabba-kompany-Lescot-Clichy

Milner-Ferdandinho

Yaya

Either Nevas/Jovetic-Silva

Negredo
 
Davs 19 said:
Joburg Hero said:
Saif1994 said:
So excited for Rodwell next season. He's so good for his age but just needs to avoid injuries.
Yep, could be a special prospect if he gets the game time. Immense frame; power, pace, agility, and a good footballer with two feet. I was quite looking forward to seeing Rodwell-Yaya this season but I think Fernandinho will hinder his development. Regardless, in the long run, it should be Rodwell that is a permanent fixture as the box to box midfielder.

Your knowledge of soccerball is amazing.

Fernandinho will hinder Rodwells development ?

Head wobbling time.
What's up? Explain how he won't. Dinho is in Rodwell's place in the side, Rodwell won't get the game time because of this. Pretty basic stuff.
 
Joburg Hero said:
Davs 19 said:
Joburg Hero said:
Yep, could be a special prospect if he gets the game time. Immense frame; power, pace, agility, and a good footballer with two feet. I was quite looking forward to seeing Rodwell-Yaya this season but I think Fernandinho will hinder his development. Regardless, in the long run, it should be Rodwell that is a permanent fixture as the box to box midfielder.

Your knowledge of soccerball is amazing.

Fernandinho will hinder Rodwells development ?

Head wobbling time.
What's up? Explain how he won't. Dinho is in Rodwell's place in the side, Rodwell won't get the game time because of this. Pretty basic stuff.

Young box to box midfielder gets tp learn off one of , if not the best box to box midfielders in the league.

If thw club thought that Rodwell was the answer now, do you think they'd have made Fernan rhe first and most expensive signing of the window ?

As you say, pretty basic stuff ....at least for most
 
I'm sure Rodwell would rather have the game time. And with all the talent in the squad I doubt it's Fernandinho he's going to be learning from, but that's irrelevant.
 
mcfc2607 said:
Davs 19 said:
Joburg Hero said:
I'm sure Rodwell would rather have the game time. And with all the talent in the squad I doubt it's Fernandinho he's going to be learning from, but that's irrelevant.

Oh dear.

I give up

Good night all !
not sure why the mods dont ban these fucking wums. so bleeding obvious.

Hmmm? do you need a ban?
 
Joburg Hero said:
I hate to say it, but come May 2014, we'll all be quite sick of Navas. He's hugely frustrating, and while he will provide the width that many City fans have craved for years, he's not a good enough, or intelligent enough player to provide a genuinely top class option out wide. He's so quick, but it's one thing being quick, and one thing knowing how to use it. He beats a man on the outside and delivers a cross a few times per game, but the number of times he'll brainlessly run himself into dead ends is heartbreaking. His delivery is ok, nothing to shout about, but I do expect him to pick up a fair few assists by virtue of his pace and fairly good delivery alone.

As we're all aware, we play a very distinct, compact game, focused on central areas. In turn, teams pack the central areas and leave space out wide. The belief amongst City fans is that Navas is going to hug the touchline while everyone else is central and we're suddenly going to have much more space in the middle because someone will have to mark Navas. Wrong. Full backs will leave him out there, there's no reason to mark him, by the time a ball is sprayed out wide to him the full back will have had time to split from the CBs, the CBs will have shuffled across, and the danger will be averted. There's a reason why in our system players don't hug the touchline, it's because it's ineffective to do so.

What was noticeable against Arsenal was that we were determined to get the ball wide, keep the ball wide and put more crosses into the box. Whether this was a Pellegrini tactic, or whether this was a product of having two static strikers in the box and fewer options centrally is yet to be seen; I'll never know what Pellegrini instructed the boys to do, but should this pattern of play continue throughout the season it'll be evident that it's a tactical ploy. In this instance, Navas' value to the side will be increased. However, once Aguero returns - and Jovetic is integrated into the side - I expect play to be focused through the central areas again.

What Milner brings to the side? Well he's more intelligent for starters, he'll use the ball much more effectively and will play the percentages game. Years ago Milner was the type who'd run aimlessly down the wing into cul-de-sacs, a la Navas, but he's taken a lot of that out of his game and developed well as a footballer. Milner is also better technically and will score more goals. I'd be quite happy to see Milner play on the right ahead of Navas at times this season, but Navas deserves the chance to prove himself. Milner proved himself last season, he was one of our best performers, imo the pressure's all on Navas. As I've said before, and a few have also highlighted here, Navas will provide us with much quicker counter attacks and transitions, which will be essential in the big European games.

I feel you're incredibly harsh on Navas, who isn't nearly as dumb as you're saying and uses the ball with much more intelligence than Milner. I have no idea what James Milner you've watched, because the one who has played the games does not play a particularly intelligent game. Milner has basically one move on the wing, which is to get the ball past the FB by hook or by crook, then fire a not particularly well aimed cross into the area. He doesn't take the ball to the end line, he certainly doesn't cut inside with his left foot, and if by some miracle he finds himself at the outer edge of the 18, he isn't a threat to score. He scored 4 goals in 27 last season, and according to Transfermarket, he scored 2 of those when deployed as a CM. I have no idea where you came up with him being a goal threat, but it wasn't based off of his performances.

Teams are more than willing to leave Milner acres of space out wide because they know the only thing he'll do with it is cross. They close down the triangle to take away more dangerous options and let him run at them. To some extent, this is true of all wide players, but Milner isn't particularly good at any of this. And I LIKE Milner, I think he's a very good squad player, he's just not the player you're making him out to be and he's definitely not more intelligent or a better user of the ball than Navas.
 

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