HS2 - Birmingham to Manchester scrapped.

[west didsblue]

Passengers get off and on at Stockport. They don't just look out the window. They go in shops cafes etc. People buy residential propert in Stockport because it has a 2 hour journey time to London. Same with offices and businesses etc. Jobs are created by the 3 trains an hour to London as more staff are needed to manage those trains. The old service wouldn't have continued, the plan was for a stopper train that copleted its journey in London. Things are obviously more straightforward in Legoland.

Trains via Stockport also stop at Wilmslow or Mac, Stoke and MK. No way that service would have stopped completely. At worst it would be reduced frequency or smaller trains.

 

[Blue Llama]

Trains via Stockport also stop at Wilmslow or Mac, Stoke and MK. No way that service would have stopped completely. At worst it would be reduced frequency or smaller trains.

As I said it's not stopping I.e.going away. Trains would still have run from Manchester through Stockport but it was going to be more like a bus service stopping 10 or 12 times on route to London and taking a lot longer than the current 2 hours.

 

[GoatersLeftShin]

I went to our HQ in Liverpool on Tuesday and go to Victoria nice and early.

The first train was cancelled without any warning as was the second. I went to ask the staff when the next train was due and they had no idea and quite honestly couldn't care less.

The next train arrived for Manchester Airport and there was a lot of people getting on and off and I wandered over to see what was going on and it turned out part of the train was going to Lime Street. The next thing an alarm went off saying there was a "security incident" at the station and we should all evacuate. Given what has happened in the past, I was shook up but no one listened to it!

I got on the train and arrived in the office about 40 minutes late.

When I am in Europe, these things just 'work'. Like clockwork. Our trains are unreliable, slow and generally crap. Why can't we just have something that just... works?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I went to our HQ in Liverpool on Tuesday and go to Victoria nice and early.

The first train was cancelled without any warning as was the second. I went to ask the staff when the next train was due and they had no idea and quite honestly couldn't care less.

The next train arrived for Manchester Airport and there was a lot of people getting on and off and I wandered over to see what was going on and it turned out part of the train was going to Lime Street. The next thing an alarm went off saying there was a "security incident" at the station and we should all evacuate. Given what has happened in the past, I was shook up but no one listened to it!

I got on the train and arrived in the office about 40 minutes late.

When I am in Europe, these things just 'work'. Like clockwork. Our trains are unreliable, slow and generally crap. Why can't we just have something that just... works?

It’s not just the trains, it’s pretty much everything in this country.

We’ve been on this slide for well over a decade now. Brexit has accelerated it, exposed wider flaws, but the problem goes far wider than that.

Our trains, our public services more generally are a symptom of a nation that is slowly rotting and no longer functions as it once did. Our once great institutions are no longer fit for purpose and, lamentably, our continued decline as a nation seems all too inevitable.

Basically, we’re fucked.

 

[Grassland Blue]

To be fair, I went from Paris to Milan and Milan to Geneva both on high speed trains that went through the alps. I’m not sure the Brecon Beacons should pose a more insurmountable problem.

It’s the opposite of shortsightedness too surely. If she was arguing about prioritising that then fair enough.

The Brecon Beacons you say.
The powers that be can hardly cope with the Pennines!

 

[Keeper!]

It’s not just the trains, it’s pretty much everything in this country.

We’ve been on this slide for well over a decade now. Brexit has accelerated it, exposed wider flaws, but the problem goes far wider than that.

Our trains, our public services more generally are a symptom of a nation that is slowly rotting and no longer functions as it once did. Our once great institutions are no longer fit for purpose and, lamentably, our continued decline as a nation seems all too inevitable.

Basically, we’re fucked.

And as a nation we are still arrogant in the extreme, a majority of the population and particularly the politicians think we are still relevant and lead the world, in my humble, utter and complete bollocks, as you quite rightly say, we are fucked and have been for at least a generation.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

If we don’t lead the world then why do so many of them come to live here?

 

[blueinsa]

Meanwhile Japan announces a super high speed maglev 177km route built through mountains for £45Billion that will be on time and on budget.

We are fucking pathetic.

 

[Grassland Blue]

I went to our HQ in Liverpool on Tuesday and go to Victoria nice and early.

The first train was cancelled without any warning as was the second. I went to ask the staff when the next train was due and they had no idea and quite honestly couldn't care less.

The next train arrived for Manchester Airport and there was a lot of people getting on and off and I wandered over to see what was going on and it turned out part of the train was going to Lime Street. The next thing an alarm went off saying there was a "security incident" at the station and we should all evacuate. Given what has happened in the past, I was shook up but no one listened to it!

I got on the train and arrived in the office about 40 minutes late.

When I am in Europe, these things just 'work'. Like clockwork. Our trains are unreliable, slow and generally crap. Why can't we just have something that just... works?

Our railways are run by people who want to get the maximum possible use out of trains, track and staff.
Therefore if a train is taken out of service, or an incident happens on the track, or a member of traincrew doesn't turn up on time, then delays and cancellations happen.
There is very little slack in the system to compensate for any of these events.The reality cannot match the ideal. Everyone and everything is a whisker away from breaking point ALL THE TIME.
Imagine the pressure.

 

[Grassland Blue]

If we don’t lead the world then why do so many of them come to live here?

War and oppression amongst other things.