Hughes is to blame

[kinkladze96]

All right i regret using the word nonsensical, i will just say wrong next time.

 

[bodak]

kinky96 - in my opinion the point you made was completely right, Im just pedantic.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

Can someone explain to me the absolutely ridiculous thinking that sees people say stuff like "he picks the right team, it's not his fault if they don't perform" or things like "do you expect him to hold their hands throughout the match"?

What exactly is the manager there for if it is not to be responsible for the performance of his players and the fuinctioning of his team.

It does make me laugh when people use this excuse.

Perhaps it does make sense if we are talking about a one off match where a couple of out of character mistakes have turned the result.

But when we are talking about a whole season of shite that has been served up then there is only one person who can take responsibility for that.

Otherwise, are we saying that Sven had absolutely fuck all to do with the second half of last season as he had worse players to pick from and once he had sent them out it was nothing to do with him how they perfomed.

How will the Sven haters square that with their assertions that Hughes cannot be held responsible for the shite that is served up is he picks a decent XI

 

[lancs blue]

" As for Hughes and blame well who else is to blame for the bloody awful mess we make of defending set-pieces if it isn't the manager and coaches? "

Hmm how about the individual defender who knows exactly what his job is ( because of what happens in training ) but then decides to get it very wrong in a match. That sadly is what Ned did today. Ned has been great for ages but he made a big mistake today and he knows it.
Was it the manager's fault for not realising he was going to make this mistake and not dropping him!

But this is happening all the time, it's not just today! And it's not as if we've got a load of crap defenders, it's the organisation at set-pieces that seems to be lacking and that's what should be sorted on the training ground but there's no sign of it.

 

[kinkladze96]

Can someone explain to me the absolutely ridiculous thinking that sees people say stuff like "he picks the right team, it's not his fault if they don't perform" or things like "do you expect him to hold their hands throughout the match"?

What exactly is the manager there for if it is not to be responsible for the performance of his players and the fuinctioning of his team.

It does make me laugh when people use this excuse.

Perhaps it does make sense if we are talking about a one off match where a couple of out of character mistakes have turned the result.

But when we are talking about a whole season of shite that has been served up then there is only one person who can take responsibility for that.

Otherwise, are we saying that Sven had absolutely fuck all to do with the second half of last season as he had worse players to pick from and once he had sent them out it was nothing to do with him how they perfomed.

How will the Sven haters square that with their assertions that Hughes cannot be held responsible for the shite that is served up is he picks a decent XI

I dont hate sven or mark hughes. i do believe the time mh has had in charge has been good in terms of getting players of character in.
Results havent followed as quickly as everyone would like.
If you picked the team , would it have varied much from what he has put out?
The team needs a strong leader on the pitch, which at the moment isnt quite there. we have candidates which is encouraging.
the away form is poor, but i would hardly describe the season as shite.

 

[Disturbance]

I thought, today, Hughes went back to his early stubborn way of thinking. This is in no way a sleight on Zabaleta as he performed manfully at left back, but I thought Garrido should have come on and have Zabs and Neds look out for him in that position.

That way, Zabs could have(and should have) remained in the midfield anchor to combat Fabregas, helping De Jong with the movement of the Arse's midfield. He wouldn't have needed Gelson then(who did ok, mind).

The rest of the subs were fine.

I'm just finding the rigid formation a little annoying. I know there's a bit of movement, but I'd like a new formation for the club to work on.

I agree with this, Zabaleta is definitely not a left-back. He hasn't looked comfortable at all when made to play there. Why is Garrido even on the bench if he's not coming on when Bridge gets injured? It makes no sense especially when MH brings on Gelson instead who tries hard but is definitely not good enough for this level.

 

[bizzbo]

But this is happening all the time, it's not just today! And it's not as if we've got a load of crap defenders, it's the organisation at set-pieces that seems to be lacking and that's what should be sorted on the training ground but there's no sign of it.

cmon today it was an individual mistake, not sure wether it was micah or ned, but whoever was supposed to be with adebayor went walkies

 

[bizzbo]

I agree with this, Zabaleta is definitely not a left-back. He hasn't looked comfortable at all when made to play there. Why is Garrido even on the bench if he's not coming on when Bridge gets injured? It makes no sense especially when MH brings on Gelson instead who tries hard but is definitely not good enough for this level.

eh zab was very good at left back today. garrido played thirty minutes against the danes and nearly cost us the tie, they just ripped him to shreds.

 

[Ric]

Can someone explain to me the absolutely ridiculous thinking that sees people say stuff like "he picks the right team, it's not his fault if they don't perform" or things like "do you expect him to hold their hands throughout the match"?

What exactly is the manager there for if it is not to be responsible for the performance of his players and the fuinctioning of his team.

It does make me laugh when people use this excuse.

Perhaps it does make sense if we are talking about a one off match where a couple of out of character mistakes have turned the result.

But when we are talking about a whole season of shite that has been served up then there is only one person who can take responsibility for that.

Otherwise, are we saying that Sven had absolutely fuck all to do with the second half of last season as he had worse players to pick from and once he had sent them out it was nothing to do with him how they perfomed.

How will the Sven haters square that with their assertions that Hughes cannot be held responsible for the shite that is served up is he picks a decent XI

If we're being fair though, you could argue the ridiculous thinking that our impressive home form is inspite of Hughes rather than because of him. To dismiss it as "a whole season of shite" is your opinion, rather than fact. I'm by no means a Hughes lover, and our away form is completely unacceptable, but you have to be balanced.

There will be a squad clearout in summer, but how many Hughes signings would you get rid off? How many Sven ones will go? I liked Sven, but the rot had settled in. We need a major overhaul of players in summer, and it's Hughes' signings who will form the nucleus of the new squad. To get rid of the manager now would be a wrong move in my opinion. Our strategy of hiring and firing managers every year or so has hardly proved successful.

Look at comparable teams (i.e. Everton, Villa, Spurs, Newcastle) and they've had their own respective troubles with new managers (Everton finishing 17th under Moyes in 2004, Villa 16th under O'Neill in 2006 etc). Sometimes you have to look beyond the immediate, and build for the future. Everton, Villa and indeed United have benefitted from that approach.

If we were to sack Hughes who exactly do you propose can transform us from a mid table team to contenders overnight? I'm intrigued to know...

 

[allyboy]

Can someone explain to me the absolutely ridiculous thinking that sees people say stuff like "he picks the right team, it's not his fault if they don't perform" or things like "do you expect him to hold their hands throughout the match"?

What exactly is the manager there for if it is not to be responsible for the performance of his players and the fuinctioning of his team.

It does make me laugh when people use this excuse.

Perhaps it does make sense if we are talking about a one off match where a couple of out of character mistakes have turned the result.

But when we are talking about a whole season of shite that has been served up then there is only one person who can take responsibility for that.

Otherwise, are we saying that Sven had absolutely fuck all to do with the second half of last season as he had worse players to pick from and once he had sent them out it was nothing to do with him how they perfomed.

How will the Sven haters square that with their assertions that Hughes cannot be held responsible for the shite that is served up is he picks a decent XI

If we're being fair though, you could argue the ridiculous thinking that our impressive home form is inspite of Hughes rather than because of him. To dismiss it as "a whole season of shite" is your opinion, rather than fact. I'm by no means a Hughes lover, and our away form is completely unacceptable, but you have to be balanced.

There will be a squad clearout in summer, but how many Hughes signings would you get rid off? How many Sven ones will go? I liked Sven, but the rot had settled in. We need a major overhaul of players in summer, and it's Hughes' signings who will form the nucleus of the new squad. To get rid of the manager now would be a wrong move in my opinion. Our strategy of hiring and firing managers every year or so has hardly proved successful.

Look at comparable teams (i.e. Everton, Villa, Spurs, Newcastle) and they've had their own respective troubles with new managers (Everton finishing 17th under Moyes in 2004, Villa 16th under O'Neill in 2006 etc). Sometimes you have to look beyond the immediate, and build for the future. Everton, Villa and indeed United have benefitted from that approach.

If we were to sack Hughes who exactly do you propose can transform us from a mid table team to contenders overnight? I'm intrigued to know...

A: Mr Mourinho.