I bet Nu Liebour do jack s**t about this...

[ono]

No, stating an opinion doesn't show endorsement.

The point I was trying to raise, is that we only seemed to be concerned that Iraq had WMDs, despite the evidence to the contrary, and we are less concerned that Pakistan has WMDs, for example. I don't equate somebody else having a nuclear weapon as a threat against my way of life, and if others did, then perhaps I have misjudged the situation. Many people have nuclear weapons, and we are not afraid of their countries.

Why can Iraq not have WMDs in the eyes of the West, but Israelis can?

Isn't the whole idea that only our allies can have WMDs a fundamental flaw in the logic behind the War on Terror? Surely, an even platform would be that everybody has them, or nobody has them, therefore the fear can be eradicated and nobody is in a state of 'terror'?

I don't agree with our wars in Iraq OR Afghanistan. A lot of innocent people have lost their lives. I also disagreed wholeheartedly with our actions in the former Yugoslavia as well, that set the precedent for regime change, without the flimsy "cover" of fighting for the British national interest.

As Gordon Brown said in his Guildhall speech a month or so back, what we are fighting for in these countries is the New World Order, the internationalist, global capitalist empire. We are NOT fighting for Britain.

HOWEVER. I can't stand idily by when the enemies of my people wish to disrespect our dead soldiers. I'd be very, very surprised if the police let this march go ahead.

I'm having a problem understanding your reasoning for being annoyed at the march.

You admit that you don't agree with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and you understand that a lot of innocent lives have been lost. So why do you have a problem with demonstrations?

 

[Challenger1978]

That's hugely dishonest of you, you have taken my point directly out of context. Gelson's Dad was saying that a history lesson is needed as the Caliphate once ruled the world, therefore it is a danger. I made the parallel to the British Empire.

Also, they'd have a job rebuilding the Caliphate, considering that half of the Muslim world is at war with each other. You can't establish a single system of governance, when the two factions needed to create it are slaughtering each other. Or did you just misunderstand what the Caliphate is, and thought it was some sort of empire?

Hang on a mintue Damocles.

It's the stated aim of bin laden, Zarqawi and others. We have to hope they keep kicking the shit out of each other because the moment they realise how powerful they would be united we will have to do something. Tom Clancy used this as the theme for Executive Orders and the scenario he describes is both terrifying and accurate.

This is what gelson ment in his original post and i clicked on to that straight away. You're the one that actually took his post out of context and flipped it on its head. So it was you that was being highly dishonest and taking his post out of context, either that or you got the wrong end of the stick.

 

[Damocles]

Chomsky is an utter hero of mine!

facepalm pic

Or "When you're too stupid to formulate an actual opinion, post a funny picture".

 

[Danbert]

There are far too many right on, sandal-wearing, clueless, lentil-munching, mung-bean weaving wankers on this forum. FACT.

 

[AlanK]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240044/Outrage-Islamic-extremists-vow-march-streets-Wootton-Bassett.html

And before the liberals say it, no I am not anti-islam, but its this type of scum that are like a plague on the planet!

Think of it this way. You move to a country, I don't know, let's say Japan.

Over the course of your life here, you are generally happy and sociable. Then, the Japanese invade England to 'protect their freedom' from English terrorists. This is despite the fact that no English terrorist has ever actually committed a terrorist offence in Japan.

In every facet of society, people who are going off to fight a war in your country are returning as heroes. Deep down, you know that they have killed Englishmen, and that the Japanese society is celebrating this fact.

What would you do? Say "okey dokey"? Or would you get involved in a march?

Everybody is entitled to protest anything that they disagree with in this country. It is a fundamental right of living here, and is older than you and I. If you start saying that certain groups can't protest, because you find it tasteless, it's a really bad road to go down.

I dont think Wooten Basset are celebrating the fact that Muslims have been killed, mearly showing respect to our servicemen

 

[Damocles]

There are far too many right on, sandal-wearing, clueless, lentil-munching, mung-bean weaving wankers on this forum. FACT.

I don't wear sandals, am educated, don't eat lentils, and don't weave baskets.

I just think the situation is more complex then "KILL THE BROWN BASTARDS!". Isn't it funny that there only seems to be three or four people on this forum who are right wing and can give an intelligent, informed answer to questions, instead of resorting to clichés, stereotypes and insults?

Why is that?

Do you become more left wing, the more travelled and educated you become? I don't know.

 

[Damocles]

I dont think Wooten Basset are celebrating the fact that Muslims have been killed, mearly showing respect to our servicemen

It's pretty much the same thing in their eyes. It's glorification of the people who are slaughtering them by the thousands.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Wow this is still going on, i think its time we decide that liberals and right wing dont get on, but i think most of us could of decided that anyway!

 

[Big G]

Think of it this way. You move to a country, I don't know, let's say Japan.

Over the course of your life here, you are generally happy and sociable. Then, the Japanese invade England to 'protect their freedom' from English terrorists. This is despite the fact that no English terrorist has ever actually committed a terrorist offence in Japan.

In every facet of society, people who are going off to fight a war in your country are returning as heroes. Deep down, you know that they have killed Englishmen, and that the Japanese society is celebrating this fact.

What would you do? Say "okey dokey"? Or would you get involved in a march?

Everybody is entitled to protest anything that they disagree with in this country. It is a fundamental right of living here, and is older than you and I. If you start saying that certain groups can't protest, because you find it tasteless, it's a really bad road to go down.

I dont think Wooten Basset are celebrating the fact that Muslims have been killed, mearly showing respect to our servicemen

I think its more showing respect to the dead than A serviceman.
The first servicemen killed and flown back didnt get much of a reception because the town knew little that soldiers would be flown into Lynham, but as locals asked what was going on etc more and more came to show and pay their respects.

At the end of the day war is toss, we have to obide by rules for fucks sake, we aint allowed just to go in and blast fuck out of the place, yet they can do it to us because they aint signed an agreement WTF.
Afgan war will just go on and on, another 50 year war that fucker.
Iraq we shouldnt have gone, Blair and Bush has blood on his hands there, Fair play to George Galloway in his sayings about that 1.
Iran - We should be scared about these lot.

 

[PistonBlue]

There are far too many right on, sandal-wearing, clueless, lentil-munching, mung-bean weaving wankers on this forum. FACT.

I don't wear sandals, am educated, don't eat lentils, and don't weave baskets.

I just think the situation is more complex then "KILL THE BROWN BASTARDS!". Isn't it funny that there only seems to be three or four people on this forum who are right wing and can give an intelligent, informed answer to questions, instead of resorting to clichés, stereotypes and insults?

Why is that?

Do you become more left wing, the more travelled and educated you become? I don't know.

The situation is not complex at all.
The more extreme Muslims in this country choosing Wootton Bassett to hold a march is no mystery. It's designed to inflame the feelings of Muslims and non Muslims in the UK.
This isn't about why we are in Afghanistan or the 'war on terror' or the rights and wrongs of it all. It's about causing more trouble. It's about keeping 'Muslim plight' in the public eye It's about spilling more blood on UK streets. It's about disrespecting the country they live in.
You're all for telling us how clever you are, but you can't see the wood for the trees.