i want de jong out of the team

[GaudinoMotors]

Perhaps the others should try being more offensive.

 

[blue_paul]

I agree with the OP. De Jong is far too limited a player to be part of a midfield three. Each member of the trio is required to have quick feet and excellent passing skills which the other two do (yaya & milner) . I admit he can track a marker at times but you only had to look at his first twenty minutes against Spurs, he gave the ball away constantly. Contrary to popular opinion, he's not a great tackler either, he often mis-times and is reckless.

Just when we were having some positivity and appreciation of an excellent defensive midfielder who does his job perfectly without all the prima donna sulks and hissy fits, distributes the ball a lot better than the "he only passes it sideways numpties" will recognise or admit, gets forward in support and tracks back superbly, breaks play up exceptionally well, and has very good positional awareness - YOU POP UP.
Why is De Jong always the scapegoat - has been brilliant for us since we signed him. He wasn't bought to provide Glen Hoddle style 40 yrd passes,nor to go nutmeging defenders after dribbling around 3 of them before chipping the keeper.

He hasn't been brilliant since we signed him, far from it. Spurs first half was a prime example of this. You can come and call me anything you want if he plays regularly ahead of the other three this season, he won't. Do you think we need a holding player against Wigan at home, or most other Premiership sides for that matter?
In a three man midield, you'll need more in your locker than the holding role. Defences will be very deep against us and a more rounded player is needed instead of Nigel, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Just when we were having some positivity and appreciation of an excellent defensive midfielder who does his job perfectly without all the prima donna sulks and hissy fits, distributes the ball a lot better than the "he only passes it sideways numpties" will recognise or admit, gets forward in support and tracks back superbly, breaks play up exceptionally well, and has very good positional awareness - YOU POP UP.
Why is De Jong always the scapegoat - has been brilliant for us since we signed him. He wasn't bought to provide Glen Hoddle style 40 yrd passes,nor to go nutmeging defenders after dribbling around 3 of them before chipping the keeper.

He has been brilliant for us at times no question.

At the minute he is playing with other midfielders who offer defensive and offensive qualities where as he offers only the one. So for certain games the defensive qualities of Yaya and Milner and maybe Barry will suffice to allow Johnson (for eg) to come in.

Horses for courses and De Jong offers only one quality really.

-- Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:02 pm --

Claude Makelele

Recently i asked and that was pages back.

Are you comparing Makelele and De Jong then?

Well Makelele was fairly recently, they've not replaced him with anyone better because he's probably the best of the modern era in that position. De Jong is a very similar player to Makelele, he let's the rest of the team create by winning the ball and giving it simple.

Mikkel plays a similar role for Chelsea, although he's not as good. The Shite play a different way, they often have a player like Scholes who sits deep and retains possession with his immaculate passing. We don't have anyone quite on Scholes level for that role, but De Jong does his job fantastically well.

I never understand why people always criticise players for what they can't do. Like De Jong doesn't score, Robinho doesn't track back. They are not there to do that. You don't complain at work that your accountant is rubbish at digging holes do you?

 

[johnmc]

Well Makelele was fairly recently, they've not replaced him with anyone better because he's probably the best of the modern era in that position. De Jong is a very similar player to Makelele, he let's the rest of the team create by winning the ball and giving it simple.

Mikkel plays a similar role for Chelsea, although he's not as good. The Shite play a different way, they often have a player like Scholes who sits deep and retains possession with his immaculate passing. We don't have anyone quite on Scholes level for that role, but De Jong does his job fantastically well.

I never understand why people always criticise players for what they can't do. Like De Jong doesn't score, Robinho doesn't track back. They are not there to do that. You don't complain at work that your accountant is rubbish at digging holes do you?

I think De Jong has a long way to go before he is compared to Makalele. Anyway, your missing the point here somewhat. Its not that De Jong is a bad player. But with Yaya, Barry Milner etc they offer enough in defence that De Jong wouldnt be required whilst also offering an offensive threat. If we had Silva SWP and Johnson in the team then maybe De Jong would be of more value.

 

[Blue Mooner]

De Jong is a class player no doubt about it but I'm in both camps.

I don't think we need De Jong against the likes of Blackpool, Wigan or West Brom at home but we should change the formation to include him in the tough away games and some of the harder home games.

Simples.

 

[blue_paul]

Well Makelele was fairly recently, they've not replaced him with anyone better because he's probably the best of the modern era in that position. De Jong is a very similar player to Makelele, he let's the rest of the team create by winning the ball and giving it simple.

Mikkel plays a similar role for Chelsea, although he's not as good. The Shite play a different way, they often have a player like Scholes who sits deep and retains possession with his immaculate passing. We don't have anyone quite on Scholes level for that role, but De Jong does his job fantastically well.

I never understand why people always criticise players for what they can't do. Like De Jong doesn't score, Robinho doesn't track back. They are not there to do that. You don't complain at work that your accountant is rubbish at digging holes do you?

I think De Jong has a long way to go before he is compared to Makalele. Anyway, your missing the point here somewhat. Its not that De Jong is a bad player. But with Yaya, Barry Milner etc they offer enough in defence that De Jong wouldnt be required whilst also offering an offensive threat. If we had Silva SWP and Johnson in the team then maybe De Jong would be of more value.

Nail on the head, as part of a three man midfield De Jong doesn't work. He'd be ideal in a five man midfield if anything.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Well Makelele was fairly recently, they've not replaced him with anyone better because he's probably the best of the modern era in that position. De Jong is a very similar player to Makelele, he let's the rest of the team create by winning the ball and giving it simple.

Mikkel plays a similar role for Chelsea, although he's not as good. The Shite play a different way, they often have a player like Scholes who sits deep and retains possession with his immaculate passing. We don't have anyone quite on Scholes level for that role, but De Jong does his job fantastically well.

I never understand why people always criticise players for what they can't do. Like De Jong doesn't score, Robinho doesn't track back. They are not there to do that. You don't complain at work that your accountant is rubbish at digging holes do you?

I think De Jong has a long way to go before he is compared to Makalele. Anyway, your missing the point here somewhat. Its not that De Jong is a bad player. But with Yaya, Barry Milner etc they offer enough in defence that De Jong wouldnt be required whilst also offering an offensive threat. If we had Silva SWP and Johnson in the team then maybe De Jong would be of more value.

Well for my money the best examples of teams who play with a 4-3-3 are Barcelona and Chelsea under Mourinho. Even Barca who are the most fluid, free flowing passing team I have ever seen play one holding midfielder. I don't think playing 3 flat accross the middle makes any sense whatsoever. The whole point of playing 3 in the middle is that you are creating triangles and angles between them so there is always an option to go forwards, backwards, left or right and retain possession.

Playing 3 flat accross the middle is actually more defensive as they are just acting as a defensive screen and have no options other than to play it square. I could kind of see an argument at home to play Barry holding instead of De Jong as we would expect to dominate possession anyway and he uses the ball better. But to suggest we should play a 3 man midfield with no player holding is a bit naiive.

 

[alfalahi]

i no people are going to call me for this but lets look at it properly .
he is not box to box .
he also creates nothing .
has no vision .
he will never score .
.now i would also say,,,,, i do like him before the people attack me.....but he surely cant stay in our team just cos he can tackle ...
MILNER.tackles a bit .scores and passes .
yaya. tackle and passes.looks like he would score from midd .
barry.chips in with odd goal now n then .and tackles and passes..
so in all honesty de jong should be left out ..

and who the fuck are you? remind me?

 

[johnmc]

Playing 3 flat accross the middle is actually more defensive as they are just acting as a defensive screen and have no options other than to play it square. I could kind of see an argument at home to play Barry holding instead of De Jong as we would expect to dominate possession anyway and he uses the ball better. But to suggest we should play a 3 man midfield with no player holding is a bit naiive.

Why is it naaiive? Is it wrong to expect either yaya, barry or milner, whoever is playing in fact, that if a midfield compatriot is attacking maybe they hold? Take it in turns, offer a different threat, keep the opponents guessing. Cant professional players do that or is it imperative that one player, the same player sits and does nothing else? Its not really required anymore as much as it was.

Mikel is the nearest thing at chelsea and he is a first teamer no doubt but by no means an automatic starter - the same as De Jong should be

 

[cityboy95]

r u bonkers de jong gives them the licience to do that wwithout him we would concede a lot more