i want de jong out of the team

[levets]

He's our Essien..............that is all

Really mate?

In what way?
Surprised...

 

[Boff]

I can't believe that people seem to think that Makelele and De Jong play similar roles just because they both tackle a bit. In wider terms, that's like saying that Adebayor and Tevez are similar players because they both score a bit.

Makelele was a defensive midfielder. De Jong is an anchorman.

probably because they're both a bit midgety?

 

[johnmc]

Sorry I cant comment on this until i see a team with all three play

BTW. I believe that all three were on the pitch verses Valencia (Pre-season I appreciate) when Boeteng broke forward and crossed in a sublime pass for a very attack minded Barry to head into the goal. De Jong I believe was back covering with the centre backs hence Barry's freedom to get into the box ;)[/quote]

I was saying sorry i cant comment as i do not know much about Kolarov and from what I saw of Boateng at the world cup he wasnt that offensive. Ill see what they are like at City. You can tell me they are offensive if you want, i understand that, but Bridge was meant to be an improvement on the offensive side of things but he wasnt.

If you think De Jong is the best defensive midfielder in the world then fair enough. I dont know who there is to pit him against. Mascherano? Mikel? Who else? I don't think either of those are world class players. So if thats his competition then fair enough but Scousers will say Masherano is the best and Chelsea fans would say they wouldnt swap Mikel as well i would guess.

I dont think a DM is a necessity as Chelsea dont either as Essien will oftne play without Mikel and do a midfield job - not a DM or AM role just a midfield role. And thats with arguably one of the most attacking full backs in the world in Cole

 

[Fuzzmaster101]

I can't believe that people seem to think that Makelele and De Jong play similar roles just because they both tackle a bit. In wider terms, that's like saying that Adebayor and Tevez are similar players because they both score a bit.

Makelele was a defensive midfielder. De Jong is an anchorman.

Lovely, can you explain in layman's terms what the exact difference is between a defensive midfielder and an anchorman. As far as I'm aware it's just two different names for the same role. Makalele certainly didn't join the attack much.

-- Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:53 pm --

Sorry I cant comment on this until i see a team with all three play

BTW. I believe that all three were on the pitch verses Valencia (Pre-season I appreciate) when Boeteng broke forward and crossed in a sublime pass for a very attack minded Barry to head into the goal. De Jong I believe was back covering with the centre backs hence Barry's freedom to get into the box ;)

I was saying sorry i cant comment as i do not know much about Kolarov and from what I saw of Boateng at the world cup he wasnt that offensive. Ill see what they are like at City. You can tell me they are offensive if you want, i understand that, but Bridge was meant to be an improvement on the offensive side of things but he wasnt.

If you think De Jong is the best defensive midfielder in the world then fair enough. I dont know who there is to pit him against. Mascherano? Mikel? Who else? I don't think either of those are world class players. So if thats his competition then fair enough but Scousers will say Masherano is the best and Chelsea fans would say they wouldnt swap Mikel as well i would guess.

I dont think a DM is a necessity as Chelsea dont either as Essien will oftne play without Mikel and do a midfield job - not a DM or AM role just a midfield role. And thats with arguably one of the most attacking full backs in the world in Cole

I think most Chelsea fans would happily swap Mikel for De Jong if they had their honest heads on. Not sure about the Dippers with Masch, he's certainly De Jong's closest rival in the Prem for this role. We'll just have to agree to disagree. For me De Jong isn't so important for home ties against Stoke or Blackpool etc but for any match against a team with a skillful midfield (Arse, Chelski, Ushited, Spuds, Red Dippers, plus many European teams) I think he's vital. Possibly the single most important player in the squad. Like I say we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[cityisOURS]

de jong must play against the top 4/5 clubs but only for these games. At home against west brom for example he is quite simply not needed.

 

[Damocles]

I can't believe that people seem to think that Makelele and De Jong play similar roles just because they both tackle a bit. In wider terms, that's like saying that Adebayor and Tevez are similar players because they both score a bit.

Makelele was a defensive midfielder. De Jong is an anchorman.

Lovely, can explain in layman's terms what the exact difference is between a defensive midfielder and an anchorman. As far as I'm aware it's just two different names for the same role. Makalele certainly didn't join the attack much.

Why, I'm glad you asked!

An anchorman is a player whose entire job is to sit in front of the defence and win the ball. He is essentially a further forward centre back; winning the ball and passing it short to the nearest man. This usually means that they win the ball off of the opposition.

A defensive midfielder is a more cultured version of this. The biggest difference straight away is that a defensive midfielder such as Makelele or more recently Alonso, doesn't just snuff out opposition chances when they have the ball, but they also controls the whole pace of the game. They are the boss of the midfield, nobody goes anywhere without them and they often release the further forward midfielders. Another good example at the moment is Pirlo over at Milano. Finally, the defensive mid has the ability to break down trouble before it actually becomes trouble. They aren't a last gasp saviour in the same way that an anchorman is, they run the game using their intelligence and strength.

I've actually put a different thread in the transfer forum regarding this, but what I believe Mancini is after at the moment is a Cambiasso type player which is why I still think that we'll buy another DM sometime soon. De Jong makes our game too defensive and slow, because he's a defensive and slow player (no disrespect to the lad, he was probably my favourite player at City until Balo came)

 

[Shaelumstash]

Why, I'm glad you asked!

An anchorman is a player whose entire job is to sit in front of the defence and win the ball. He is essentially a further forward centre back; winning the ball and passing it short to the nearest man. This usually means that they win the ball off of the opposition.

A defensive midfielder is a more cultured version of this. The biggest difference straight away is that a defensive midfielder such as Makelele or more recently Alonso, doesn't just snuff out opposition chances when they have the ball, but they also controls the whole pace of the game. They are the boss of the midfield, nobody goes anywhere without them and they often release the further forward midfielders. Another good example at the moment is Pirlo over at Milano. Finally, the defensive mid has the ability to break down trouble before it actually becomes trouble. They aren't a last gasp saviour in the same way that an anchorman is, they run the game using their intelligence and strength.

I've actually put a different thread in the transfer forum regarding this, but what I believe Mancini is after at the moment is a Cambiasso type player which is why I still think that we'll buy another DM sometime soon. De Jong makes our game too defensive and slow, because he's a defensive and slow player (no disrespect to the lad, he was probably my favourite player at City until Balo came)

I'm not actually sure if you are on a wind up here? Are you seriously suggesting Makelele was a more similar player to Pirlo than he is to De Jong? I sincerely hope you are not suggesting that with a straight face.

 

[Fuzzmaster101]

Lovely, can explain in layman's terms what the exact difference is between a defensive midfielder and an anchorman. As far as I'm aware it's just two different names for the same role. Makalele certainly didn't join the attack much.

Why, I'm glad you asked!

An anchorman is a player whose entire job is to sit in front of the defence and win the ball. He is essentially a further forward centre back; winning the ball and passing it short to the nearest man. This usually means that they win the ball off of the opposition.

A defensive midfielder is a more cultured version of this. The biggest difference straight away is that a defensive midfielder such as Makelele or more recently Alonso, doesn't just snuff out opposition chances when they have the ball, but they also controls the whole pace of the game. They are the boss of the midfield, nobody goes anywhere without them and they often release the further forward midfielders. Another good example at the moment is Pirlo over at Milano. Finally, the defensive mid has the ability to break down trouble before it actually becomes trouble. They aren't a last gasp saviour in the same way that an anchorman is, they run the game using their intelligence and strength.

I've actually put a different thread in the transfer forum regarding this, but what I believe Mancini is after at the moment is a Cambiasso type player which is why I still think that we'll buy another DM sometime soon. De Jong makes our game too defensive and slow, because he's a defensive and slow player (no disrespect to the lad, he was probably my favourite player at City until Balo came)

I think you'll be very suprised this season. I think De Jong and Yaya will take turns in doing just what Alonso and Makalele did. I happen to think that De Jong is a far superior defensive player than Alonso btw but not as dangerous in attack. Swings and roundabouts I say. De Jong's passing out of midfield has been excellent recently, he's a better passer than a lot of people give him credit for.

 

[Damocles]

I'm not actually sure if you are on a wind up here? Are you seriously suggesting Makelele was a more similar player to Pirlo than he is to De Jong? I sincerely hope you are not suggesting that with a straight face.

Both Pirlo and Makelele's job was to control the pace of the game. Pirlo had the better passing ability than Makelele and Makelele had the better stopping ability, but their job to the team was essentially the same.

 

[julio jordio]

tell you what

1. play professional football
2. win some trophies
3. qualify for your FA licenses
4. manage a club in one of the lower leagues
5. enhance your reputation (or just build one)
6. watch how other coaches coach
7. qualify for your uefa licenses
8. win some trophies as a manager/coach
9. get your dream job at mcfc
10. drop de jong

Excellent post my friend.