If we win FA cup would you keep Mancini?

[Marvin]

Nope.

Progressing past Championship teams only masks our shortcomings.

I actually believe it would be a fitting send off, though, for both Mancini and the club to win it.

Every team has shortcomings.

There was a time not so long ago when instead of brushing good Championship sides apart like Watford and average Championship sides like Leeds apart, we'd go down 0-3 at home.

I'm not expecting anyone to suspend all their critical faculties after any old win, but it strikes me that some fans are overly critical, and made their minds up long ago.

Even accounting for the huge investment, City are ahead of where we expected to be, and it's only because last season's Premiership win boosted expectations to such a stratospheric level that some are blaming the manager for the disappointment over the gap to Utd.

The gap was not inevitable, but there are some matters which are outside a manager's control.

Your last point, I can see where somebody can offer that viewpoint.

However, too many seem to want to look back and your reference to the days when we used to lose at home to cannon-fodder isn't pertinent in my own book.

Just as those who continue to reference where we used to be, York, away, etc.

We are Manchester City is all but name as a club to those days, in terms of finance, professionalism, fans, the whole nine yards.

The problem on here seems to be more a case of feast or famine. Lose to Southampton, we are shit, beat Leeds, world beaters.

I try to base my own perception and opinions over a longer period, across all competitions, and not just in terms of results, but performances, also.

I know the investment has been considerable, but the progress the club has made over the whole of Mancini's tenure is considerable. Perhaps the bar was unrealistically raised after last season?

Unrealistic to expect smooth incremental progression.

Better to assess progress And the manager's skills and abilities

I am impressed the way the playing squad continually reacts to setbacks, and that must be down to the manager and the influence he has on them.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I can't see any reason why anyone would not keep Mancini whether we won the cup or not. His achievements since he arrived have been quite simply staggering. The owner saw him as the man best qualified to "take the project forward" and how right they proved to be. Two major trophies in 3 years with a team that seemed incapable of defending when he arrived. Without the lure of CL football he, no-one else, was able to attract the likes Of Silva, Ya Ya, Milner, Kolarov, Balotelli to the club, qualify for the CL and win the cup. Then he took the football world by storm to win the PL, after inspiring the greatest comeback in PL history. If Slur Alex had ever done anything like that... And who was it who warned that last summer was not the time to rest on our laurels, that the squad needed freshening up at least - and the ma he wanted seems to be buying the title back for Slur Alex! He got a 5 year contract last summer. He deserved it then and he deserves it now.

 

[Skashion]

So this def means wenger hasnt won any in 8 years then?.............:)

It do.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

No it doesn't.

i think we should inform the club to stop showing it off with the PL trophy then

FFS I stick up for Mancini I get shit, I go against him I get shit, I say its up to the club I get shit, I agree with people I get shit

Don't care either way whether the club want to show it off. A trophy which only two clubs can win in a friendly is not a real trophy, it has taken next to zero managerial skill to win it. The Dublin Cup isn't a real trophy either, and nor is the Joan Gamper trophy. Mancini has won two trophies. Hughes has won none.

Stop being so soft you southern fairy.

I would say about 100 clubs have the chance to win that trophy as everyone has the chance to win the FA Cup and 20 teams have a chance in the PL, its not an invitational like the others
Dont get me wrong I didnt celebrate much when we won it like the rags the year before but it must still count

 

[Skashion]

I would say about 100 clubs have the chance to win that trophy as everyone has the chance to win the FA Cup and 20 teams have a chance in the PL, its not an invitational like the others
Dont get me wrong I didnt celebrate much when we won it like the rags the year before but it must still count

No, it doesn't. You are already awarded your real trophy for beating the other 758 sides in the FA Cup and the other 19 teams in the Premier League. You can't claim an extra real trophy on top of it because winning one of the real trophies gives you a chance to win a fake one.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The owner saw him as the man best qualified to "take the project forward"

No they didn't. If they did, why were they still talking to Mourinho and Hiddink after he was appointed? If either of those two had agreed to join us in 2009 then Mancini would have been given a very nice payoff and thanked for his services.

But I still say they won't sack him unless they feel he can't take us any further and they've got somebody better lined up.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I would say about 100 clubs have the chance to win that trophy as everyone has the chance to win the FA Cup and 20 teams have a chance in the PL, its not an invitational like the others
Dont get me wrong I didnt celebrate much when we won it like the rags the year before but it must still count

No, it doesn't. You are already awarded your real trophy for beating the other 758 sides in the FA Cup and the other 19 teams in the Premier League. You can't claim an extra real trophy on top of it because winning one of the real trophies gives you a chance to win a fake one.

So does that mean the Super Cup and World club cup are fake as well?

 

[NipHolmes]

Every team has shortcomings.

There was a time not so long ago when instead of brushing good Championship sides apart like Watford and average Championship sides like Leeds apart, we'd go down 0-3 at home.

I'm not expecting anyone to suspend all their critical faculties after any old win, but it strikes me that some fans are overly critical, and made their minds up long ago.

Even accounting for the huge investment, City are ahead of where we expected to be, and it's only because last season's Premiership win boosted expectations to such a stratospheric level that some are blaming the manager for the disappointment over the gap to Utd.

The gap was not inevitable, but there are some matters which are outside a manager's control.

Your last point, I can see where somebody can offer that viewpoint.

However, too many seem to want to look back and your reference to the days when we used to lose at home to cannon-fodder isn't pertinent in my own book.

Just as those who continue to reference where we used to be, York, away, etc.

We are Manchester City is all but name as a club to those days, in terms of finance, professionalism, fans, the whole nine yards.

The problem on here seems to be more a case of feast or famine. Lose to Southampton, we are shit, beat Leeds, world beaters.

I try to base my own perception and opinions over a longer period, across all competitions, and not just in terms of results, but performances, also.

I know the investment has been considerable, but the progress the club has made over the whole of Mancini's tenure is considerable. Perhaps the bar was unrealistically raised after last season?

Unrealistic to expect smooth incremental progression.

Better to assess progress And the manager's skills and abilities

I am impressed the way the playing squad continually reacts to setbacks, and that must be down to the manager and the influence he has on them.

What are you smoking?

We react to set backs, ok so what about the Real game?
What about reacting to losing to United?

There's fuck all unrealistic about expecting a championship winning side to battle to Darwin their title longer than mid Feb.

Malaga, Juventus, PSG, Napolo etc are all clubs who've not been in CL before or not for a long time. They all qualified out of group stages.

Listen, I don't hate Mancini, not even close. I just think there's better out there and there is.

As any good businessman will say, there's no room for sentiment. City are a business now, look to the future and not the past. If we keep Mancini it must be because we think he can improve his showings in Europe, it must be because he understands the importance of a plan b and the importance of man management.

 

[Anonymous]

1. Well based on the reaction on here i suggest we keep him. not because i feel it's the correct decision however, I hope we keep and give him all the players and money he wants, not just this summer but every transfer window from today onwards.

2. Because we need to buy top top quality players who will take our club to next level like De Rossi, RVP, Falcao, Cavani, Isco, Osvaldo, Nasri, Maicon, Garcia, Balo, Kun, Dzeko, Yaya, Silva who all demand top top wages we can scrap any plans of meeting FFP standards because UEFA will not really kick us out of europe really would they.

3. He has won the club 3 trophies and in return he deserves to be given total control of the club and he is never again to be questioned or have a transfer target not purchased.

4. If anyone ever tries to tell him that has to look at the youth players during injuries they should be fired from the club because not one of our youth players are good enough, not even to cover on an emergency.

5. Our club was nothing but a failure until he took over. remember we had never won anything and had no history until he came and made us so called great. not one manager who managed the club previously had ever done anything worth mentioning in his presence.

6. When he is on the touchline shout 'F**K you F**K you' to the players on the pitch when they get a pass wrong that during his playing days he could make without even looking it's simply because he is Italian and it's in his nature.

7. No player is ever to speak about the flaws of the team during post match interviews because they know nothing. they won nothing until he came here, so how dare they ever express concerns or give an honest opinion on the match.

8. Only He as the manager who has won the club trophies and has given us a history can dis-respect club officials (Marwood, wheter we like him or not) who he deems have not been doing their job in public. What a good example he sets to our players and his backroom of staff to follow(but wait, sorry it's ok his Italian it's in his nature).

9. If you think after 2 attempts at the champions league a club like ours can be expected to win matches in that competition and show progress you are crazy and know nothing about football(but Napoli can make a shot of it. Juve after years of regaining their credit to italian football with players that are not better than ours can).

10. If you think Europa Cup is a competition that a club like ours should even hope to make the 1/8 finals after a dodgy champions league attempt you are crazy it's not possible. the team needs to learn to play european football because they don't know this level.

11. but all that said he has achieved good things for this club and the party line is that you must not even question his future because you will be called a RAG. this hurst me to say but they are where they are because they do not and will put up with crap. if they buy shit players guess what they get rid ASAP. if Fergie doesn't have a team good enough to chanllenge he will talk them up and make them believe they are good enough and at least put up a fight until the end. He never ever washes the dirty clothes in public. whether he like David Gill or not he backs him 100% in public. their players know that not one of them is bigger than MAN UTD. That is what wee need here at our club to tell the manager and the players that they work for MAN CITY not us working for them. so our club comes first.

Call me RAG all you like but I have had enough and it's time to blowso i have. I'm sorry for going this far but RM has really flicked my switch.

1. I hope your other 51 posts are better than that one.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

1. Well based on the reaction on here i suggest we keep him. not because i feel it's the correct decision however, I hope we keep and give him all the players and money he wants, not just this summer but every transfer window from today onwards.

2. Because we need to buy top top quality players who will take our club to next level like De Rossi, RVP, Falcao, Cavani, Isco, Osvaldo, Nasri, Maicon, Garcia, Balo, Kun, Dzeko, Yaya, Silva who all demand top top wages we can scrap any plans of meeting FFP standards because UEFA will not really kick us out of europe really would they.

3. He has won the club 3 trophies and in return he deserves to be given total control of the club and he is never again to be questioned or have a transfer target not purchased.

4. If anyone ever tries to tell him that has to look at the youth players during injuries they should be fired from the club because not one of our youth players are good enough, not even to cover on an emergency.

5. Our club was nothing but a failure until he took over. remember we had never won anything and had no history until he came and made us so called great. not one manager who managed the club previously had ever done anything worth mentioning in his presence.

6. When he is on the touchline shout 'F**K you F**K you' to the players on the pitch when they get a pass wrong that during his playing days he could make without even looking it's simply because he is Italian and it's in his nature.

7. No player is ever to speak about the flaws of the team during post match interviews because they know nothing. they won nothing until he came here, so how dare they ever express concerns or give an honest opinion on the match.

8. Only He as the manager who has won the club trophies and has given us a history can dis-respect club officials (Marwood, wheter we like him or not) who he deems have not been doing their job in public. What a good example he sets to our players and his backroom of staff to follow(but wait, sorry it's ok his Italian it's in his nature).

9. If you think after 2 attempts at the champions league a club like ours can be expected to win matches in that competition and show progress you are crazy and know nothing about football(but Napoli can make a shot of it. Juve after years of regaining their credit to italian football with players that are not better than ours can).

10. If you think Europa Cup is a competition that a club like ours should even hope to make the 1/8 finals after a dodgy champions league attempt you are crazy it's not possible. the team needs to learn to play european football because they don't know this level.

11. but all that said he has achieved good things for this club and the party line is that you must not even question his future because you will be called a RAG. this hurst me to say but they are where they are because they do not and will put up with crap. if they buy shit players guess what they get rid ASAP. if Fergie doesn't have a team good enough to chanllenge he will talk them up and make them believe they are good enough and at least put up a fight until the end. He never ever washes the dirty clothes in public. whether he like David Gill or not he backs him 100% in public. their players know that not one of them is bigger than MAN UTD. That is what wee need here at our club to tell the manager and the players that they work for MAN CITY not us working for them. so our club comes first.

Call me RAG all you like but I have had enough and it's time to blowso i have. I'm sorry for going this far but RM has really flicked my switch.

What in the name of all actual fuck have I just read