Ilkay Gundogan - 2019/20 Performances

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ChicagoBlue said:
Not true.


Some truth in there, but you’re missing what he brings to the team. He is not to be compared with players he isn’t, because the comparison is flawed. He is the grease that keeps the wheels ticking over. He can find the pass, or chip, and he is excellent at spreading the play with both feet. It is inconceivable to me that a player that Pep values, and who plays for Germany, can be criticized so much because he isn’t ______! He isn’t there to be that, just as Kyle Walker isn’t in the team to score goals or take corners or free kicks.


Silly hindsight. We were dominating the game and he wasn’t at fault for either goal.

“HIS” fuck up??? That was ALL Mendy!! Gundogan waved him off, but Mendy insisted. Then, instead of the easy ball back to Ederson, he just tapped it behind Gundo?! Mendy has some kind of mental dysfunction!


Finally! You finally stumbled upon the issue! Fought back against an “against the run of play” 1-0 to get to 1-1. Totally dominating, best fast break for ages and Sterling did what Sterling does...miss a sitter! We would have 2-1 up, running the game and able to play OUR game. Instead, Chelsea bring on rabbits, start playing long balls to pin us back and we lose ALL THE MOMENTUM we had built from our possession play and goal opportunities.

if there was a “Gerrard slip” moment in that game, it was Sterling not burying his chance or passing to Jesus who was wide open...your choice!

The level of Gundogan hate on here is ridiculous. Yes, he’s on the wrong side of 30. Yes, he isn’t going to win many sprints against Mount, Pulisic, Kante or Barkley. Yes, he was involved in Mendy’s brain fart. But, none of that was why we lost, and HE is definitely not the reason why we lost!

We played a rotating false 9 against Chelsea. That required using two midfield anchors so we didn’t get caught short in the middle of the 5 on the park for them. It worked for a long time.

We played a modified 4-4-2, with the 2 upfront playing wide and the 2 floating midfielders (Bernardo on the left & KDB on the right) rotating in and out of the middle, depending upon possession and press. That left TWO midfielders (Gundo & Rodri) to help dictate play when we had the ball, and to both hold the middle of the park AND shuffle & cover the LM & RM positions should we lose the ball and be a bit exposed.

Regardless, while I’m not arsed whether he stays or goes, I think it does Gundogan a disservice when fans not only don’t recognize the contribution he gives to the TEAM, but use lazy stereotypes to have a go at him.

Pep and Löw have recognized his quality. It’s a shame some of our fans can’t.
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Some good points, he has talent and no doubt good player , but for me he slows the play down and he hasn't excited me enough for me to like him . I want to , but he just doesn't impress me. I might be wrong on the starting stats , but it's my impression . The mistake with Mendy you could argue was 50/50 but it was Gundogan's ball to deal with . Sure Mendy came in and got in his way but Gundogan needed to get hold of the ball first . Either way, between them they messed up .
Don't think i'm using lazy stereotypes , like i said , he has talent, but he doesn't exploit it , or he's being paired with players he doesn't compliment.
I don't hate any of our players, i just always feel we don't do well when he starts, gut feeling. I've backed plenty of players way past the point of common sense. Some players you like , some you don't . No big deal
 
MeatHunterrr said:
He sucks the life out of the team. Jogging and passing backwards and sideways.

Our winning % is trash when Gundogan starts, surely that cant just be down to bad luck.
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Not when he starts as a d.m with the right players in front of him, he’s had some great games, in good team performances.
 
Gundogans problem is he has been in a squad with the best midfield in world football for the last 3 years. He gets hammered from some city fans because he isn’t David Silva, KDB or Fernandinho or last years Bernardo. He lacks pace and has been caught out in the sluggish midfield 3 of him, rodri and dave this year but he is a very good player. This talk of him passing backwards and sideways is bollocks, he has a forward pass check some of his assists out he has great vision. He also has a eye for goal. He was superb last season in our run in and Liverpool would would have him tomorrow. In fact I don’t think there is a team in Europe that he wouldn’t play in.
 
Franny's toilet roll said:
Some good points, he has talent and no doubt good player , but for me he slows the play down and he hasn't excited me enough for me to like him . I want to , but he just doesn't impress me. I might be wrong on the starting stats , but it's my impression . The mistake with Mendy you could argue was 50/50 but it was Gundogan's ball to deal with . Sure Mendy came in and got in his way but Gundogan needed to get hold of the ball first . Either way, between them they messed up .
Don't think i'm using lazy stereotypes , like i said , he has talent, but he doesn't exploit it , or he's being paired with players he doesn't compliment.
I don't hate any of our players, i just always feel we don't do well when he starts, gut feeling. I've backed plenty of players way past the point of common sense. Some players you like , some you don't . No big deal
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How did we do today? 82% possession in first half, with Gundo and KDB pulling the strings.
 
Fame Monster said:
Had a good game today, and as much as so many of us slag him off, he is a decent player. The criticism should be aimed at Pep for misusing him.
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Pep is a tinkerer, even within games, and unless all the widgets in the system are operating together, it’s always the guys sitting in the middle of the park, where all the action is, that get the blame. That’s why CM is the premium quality position in world football. Sure, the goalscorers get all the glory, but as Pep said when he arrived....give me a squad full of Fernandinhos!!!
 
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