Another thing is it's tough to say how much it was Gundogan and how much it was Liverpool's pressing. They're really good at honing in on one player and cutting out everything they do. We've seen Touré, Fernandinho, Silva, and everyone else struggle with them over the years. Maybe worth saying I felt Rodri handled them better but for the most part was less incisive. His size came in handy. So maybe the conclusion is let's hope Rodri blossoms into the player we hope he can be. He's got the calmness so that's a start.