impressed with Spurs turnout today

[felixbg]

when we played them in the league cup quaters a few years back they also only took 3k. i dont understand why teams like spurs, west ham, newcastle etc. are so desperate to give us the 'our fans are better than yours' at every opportunity. end of the day football fans are all fickle bastards, they've won a lot more than us, but their songs are still shit, and their ticket prices disgraceful,

 

[jus chicken]

everton's away support is average and very quiet.

spurs have similar away support to us but as someone said the london £ issue is a huge factor not to mention there will of been loads of trains back to euston till late from picadilly today. when we play down there if it's any later than a 3pm ko we strugle to get a train back.

 

[Danny Hoekman]

They did indeed have a good following today - no argument. Their away support has generally increased alot over the last few years (so too has Arsenal's and Chelsea's primarily due to their successes). We still do have a good away following, though nothing like what we used to take away in the 70's and 80's. In those days we were up there with anyone, wherever we were playing. I should know as I've been doing it for over 35 years ;-)

 

[BrianW]

Be interested to know the average wage/income of Spurs fans v City fans as I suspect they are generally better off and so more able to pay the stupid prices for football tickets and train travel/petrol that we have to live with these days.

As for Everton I well remember back in the 80s, when they were doing badly (but still in the top league) their crowds were often about 18,000. It'd be interesting to see how 'great' their support would be after 34 years of zero success and several seasons in lower leagues.

People go on about City crowds but they have always been variable, and when I think how poor the team has been over the last X years, and how many disappointments we've had along the way it's actually amazing how many still go.

 

[seafordblue]

As a long standing City fan that doesn’t come from Manchester, I have met with a very negative mentality from City fans with supporting City, but not being a Mancunian. It seems that one positive aspect that City have over United is that City fans come from Manchester, while United fans come from everywhere else. This was perfectly demonstrated at the recent derby with the song ‘f**k off back to London the city is ours’. As an aside, quite why the song gets sung at subsequent games, I’m not sure.

My point is, if City are a club where supporters must come from Manchester, then no amount of success will increase the number of hard core supporters we have. Therefore, we are always going to get 28K for TV cup games against the likes of Stoke and not sell out all the away matches.

 

[M18CTID]

apart from the rags, liverpool and blackburn, every away game this season hasn't sold out. Spurs and Everton sell out every away game weeks in advance.

Not true. I know Wigan and Bolton definitely did, and Chelsea has.

Hull did too.

 

[stonerblue]

you would say teams like Spurs and say Everton are roughly the same size clubs as us,they both seem to take impressive away followings - do they do anything different to us - i couldnt see us take as many as spurs took today , to a match in London thats on telly.

6-7k to Villa on a sunday night few years ago and 6-7k to newcastle on a sunday night under keegan? Both on ITV/BBC and when we was shit??

top day ot that was. Shame we were robbed on the pitch though.

 

[bugsyblue]

you would say teams like Spurs and say Everton are roughly the same size clubs as us,they both seem to take impressive away followings - do they do anything different to us - i couldnt see us take as many as spurs took today , to a match in London thats on telly.

They are both bigger clubs than us.

Everton are the same. Spurs are indeed bigger though IMO.

 

[bugsyblue]

They are both bigger clubs than us.

In regards history you are probably right, however in regards fan base we are all of similar size. Though you would not think that from the turnout for yesterdays game, a very poor effort from blues

I'd say Spurs have more fans than us- I live in London now due to work and I'd say they are as supported as Aresnal. You'll see them sell out 60k regularly when they get a new stadium.

 

[bugsyblue]

In regards history you are probably right, however in regards fan base we are all of similar size. Though you would not think that from the turnout for yesterdays game, a very poor effort from blues

apart from the rags, liverpool and blackburn, every away game this season hasn't sold out. Spurs and Everton sell out every away game weeks in advance.

That is bollocks. We sold out Hull away for a start.

 

[texas pete]

Hard not to be impressed with Spurs following in recent times. Great efffort at Bolton, huge followings at both Leeds and Birmingham.

The facts are we took more away in the 2nd division than we do now. The conclusion is that a number of our supporters enjoyed being shit as it was fashionable to 'say you went'. It will be exactly the same at Leeds now.

If we are successful I can see this having very little effect on what we take away.

 

[fallowfield]

Agree with the sensible posters in the thread.
Spurs are a club with a much bigger fan base than us - it's unarguable. Therefore their away followings are also better than ours. No doubt the recession has had an affect on us as well.
Denying it and spouting abuse at Spurs posters just makes you look silly.

Everton is a weird one though, I'd say our fanbase is about the same so no obvious reason they'd take more away than us. Not sure they definitely do but it seems so when I see their ends on TV - not massively different though.

We've had it on here before but as per 'fathelens....' posts - lots of moaning about getting tix etc but nearly every away goes on open sale - so I'm not convinced people are really arsed about going.
Anyone who does most aways will tell you it's the same faces every week - hardcore of about 1,200-1,500 I'd say.

We had more than that 5-10 years ago but our fanbase has aged and Utd's success has fucked out support among the under 30's

 

[coms64]

IMO it is not just down to the ''fan base''.
Everton,spurs, liverpool or them in trafford.
Spurs have history, good history with the FA cup. Their fans love it and the club love it.
Cause they have won it more times than most clubs and they tend to stay in the cup longer than most.
Thats why, IMO, they get a good following in the FA cup.

 

[Sky Blue]

The facts are we took more away in the 2nd division than we do now. The conclusion is that a number of our supporters enjoyed being shit as it was fashionable to 'say you went'..

What a load of fucking crap. I went to Tranmere with my lad when Frank Clark was the manager, we took 7,000 for a meaningless game. Nothing to do with being 'fashionable'. You go for a good day out and support the team regardless of what division they are in. Finance and acquiring tickets makes a difference nowadays.

 

[Balti]

you would say teams like Spurs and say Everton are roughly the same size clubs as us,they both seem to take impressive away followings - do they do anything different to us - i couldnt see us take as many as spurs took today , to a match in London thats on telly.

They are both bigger clubs than us.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Very funny.

 

[texas pete]

The facts are we took more away in the 2nd division than we do now. The conclusion is that a number of our supporters enjoyed being shit as it was fashionable to 'say you went'..

What a load of fucking crap. I went to Tranmere with my lad when Frank Clark was the manager, we took 7,000 for a meaningless game. Nothing to do with being 'fashionable'. You go for a good day out and support the team regardless of what division they are in. Finance and acquiring tickets makes a difference nowadays.

Did you even read my post ???

I said we took more away back then, I know because I was there. As for now let's take an equivalent away as Tranmere was back in the day, Wigan. Granted we sold out this year but previous years we hadn't. I agree with you that finance DOES have an impact but to what level it is impossible to say.

Regarding your comment that 'acquiring tickets' makes a difference this is absolute nonsense. All but a handful of games for this season have gone to general, this is fact so how can you say acquiring tickets is a reason ?

 

[Sky Blue]

What a load of fucking crap. I went to Tranmere with my lad when Frank Clark was the manager, we took 7,000 for a meaningless game. Nothing to do with being 'fashionable'. You go for a good day out and support the team regardless of what division they are in. Finance and acquiring tickets makes a difference nowadays.

Did you even read my post ???

I said we took more away back then, I know because I was there. As for now let's take an equivalent away as Tranmere was back in the day, Wigan. Granted we sold out this year but previous years we hadn't. I agree with you that finance DOES have an impact but to what level it is impossible to say.

Regarding your comment that 'acquiring tickets' makes a difference this is absolute nonsense. All but a handful of games for this season have gone to general, this is fact so how can you say acquiring tickets is a reason ?

I

Yeah and your post history and I suspect you are a WUM as a few others have accused you of. You seem to have a bit of an obsession with our attendances......Still laughing at the "fashionable" comment. Ta ra.

 

[texas pete]

Did you even read my post ???

I said we took more away back then, I know because I was there. As for now let's take an equivalent away as Tranmere was back in the day, Wigan. Granted we sold out this year but previous years we hadn't. I agree with you that finance DOES have an impact but to what level it is impossible to say.

Regarding your comment that 'acquiring tickets' makes a difference this is absolute nonsense. All but a handful of games for this season have gone to general, this is fact so how can you say acquiring tickets is a reason ?

I

Yeah and your post history and I suspect you are a WUM as a few others have accused you of. You seem to have a bit of an obsession with our attendances......Still laughing at the "fashionable" comment. Ta ra.

Well researched.

Why don't you do some research on 'acquiring tickets'. You will see it is not at all difficult...

 

[citymad]

Agree with the sensible posters in the thread.
Spurs are a club with a much bigger fan base than us - it's unarguable. Therefore their away followings are also better than ours. No doubt the recession has had an affect on us as well.
Denying it and spouting abuse at Spurs posters just makes you look silly.

Everton is a weird one though, I'd say our fanbase is about the same so no obvious reason they'd take more away than us. Not sure they definitely do but it seems so when I see their ends on TV - not massively different though.

We've had it on here before but as per 'fathelens....' posts - lots of moaning about getting tix etc but nearly every away goes on open sale - so I'm not convinced people are really arsed about going.
Anyone who does most aways will tell you it's the same faces every week - hardcore of about 1,200-1,500 I'd say.

We had more than that 5-10 years ago but our fanbase has aged and Utd's success has fucked out support among the under 30's

Best post by far. Even with London money Spurs will probably fill the 60k (?) new stadium. Also, there's a lot of truth in that last sentence which is very sad but if we start winning some trophies I'm sure we'll see a few City shirts on the playground in the next few years.

 

[franksinatra]

Agree with the sensible posters in the thread.
Spurs are a club with a much bigger fan base than us - it's unarguable. Therefore their away followings are also better than ours. No doubt the recession has had an affect on us as well.
Denying it and spouting abuse at Spurs posters just makes you look silly.

Everton is a weird one though, I'd say our fanbase is about the same so no obvious reason they'd take more away than us. Not sure they definitely do but it seems so when I see their ends on TV - not massively different though.

We've had it on here before but as per 'fathelens....' posts - lots of moaning about getting tix etc but nearly every away goes on open sale - so I'm not convinced people are really arsed about going.
Anyone who does most aways will tell you it's the same faces every week - hardcore of about 1,200-1,500 I'd say.

We had more than that 5-10 years ago but our fanbase has aged and Utd's success has fucked out support among the under 30's

Best post by far. Even with London money Spurs will probably fill the 60k (?) new stadium. Also, there's a lot of truth in that last sentence which is very sad but if we start winning some trophies I'm sure we'll see a few City shirts on the playground in the next few years.

As some have already pointed out Spurs have a history in the cup dating back many years and in fairness have always been considered a cup team. Unfortunately due to our lack of success City fans see the cup as an extra expense as for the past 28 years we have done poorly in all competitions and watched clubs like Millwall, Coventry Luton etc reach finals.

The age of our support is a good point though, just using 99 for an example in the old second division. It seemed the fan base was a lot younger at away games, hence the large followings at the Tranmere, Port Vales, reading etc. Where I live for example there is a hell of a lot of blues but we all age around the mid-thirties, where as our lack of success has probably led to a decline in younger support and in general lads in there thirties (not all) have other priorities and so it does affect our away support.

Incidentally we consistently get higher attendances than Everton and although there ground is smaller they dont always fill the ground. Spurs on the other hand do fill the ground so probably cup games is a chance for non-regulars to attend and so these games are supplemented by these fans,where as at the moment we reach about 90% capacity at home games in the league and so your more casual fan get tickets for these matches.

Stoke 28k at home wasnt a great attendance, but spurs two years ago got 29k against Getafe, 30 against Shakhtar Donetsk and 31,500 against Burnley in a cup semi. Until City win something our cup attendances will always be affected.