PannickAtTheDisco
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no, it isn't. Every move I make in the future is not mapped out, only the consequences of what's already happened.
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Is life mapped out for us
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no, it isn't. Every move I make in the future is not mapped out, only the consequences of what's already happened.
Chippy_boy
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no, it isn't. Every move I make in the future is not mapped out, only the consequences of what's already happened.
Prove it ;-) Seriously, most physicists - and people immeasurably more intelligent than me - do not agree with you. The maths shows that the past, present and future all exist, but you are simply not able to detect yet what exists in your future. You may feel you have the choice to do or say whatever you want to do next, but in reality you were always going to do it, just as you were always going to type what you just typed above. It's a bizarre concept, I know.
Bigga
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I don't see any inconsistency to be honest. I don't think anyone can see the future, but I don't completely rule it out as a possibility. The fact that the future already exists, doesn't mean people can necessarily see it: I don't think they can.
Well, now you've repeated your stance I can take it that it's only based on YOUR reality! You offer only an opinion based on your own 'logic'.
But one would have ascertain what "see the future" means to an individual and not a blanket assumption you seem to lay out.
We simply do not have free will, the concept is unintelligible, but I know what you're saying. We can't live like we have no control like a fatalist or futilist.
Here is the problem; is what we think about already 'mapped out' or are we able to 'make a choice' about our next move within a set of scenarios?
If the latter is true, then we're still on a linear pathway of extended branches...
Chippy_boy
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Well, now you've repeated your stance I can take it that it's only based on YOUR reality! You offer only an opinion based on your own 'logic'.
But one would have ascertain what "see the future" means to an individual and not a blanket assumption you seem to lay out.
I really don't know what you're getting at mate. Let me say it again, since I think there's some confusion: I don't believe anyone can see or in any other way, predict the future. At all. I don't believe it. But I cannot prove it, and I fully accept that I may be wrong. It is just my belief that no-one can.
I've said exactly this 3 times now, but hopefully this makes it clear? I don't see anything wrong with me having this opinion. It's simply my opinion.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Prove it ;-) Seriously, most physicists - and people immeasurably more intelligent than me - do not agree with you. The maths shows that the past, present and future all exist, but you are simply not able to detect yet what exists in your future. You may feel you have the choice to do or say whatever you want to do next, but in reality you were always going to do it, just as you were always going to type what you just typed above. It's a bizarre concept, I know.
because it's not correct.
Chippy_boy
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because it's not correct.
I understand you have difficulty believing it, but that does not mean it is not correct. What it means is "you don't believe it". Fine by me.
MellowJoe
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Here is the problem; is what we think about already 'mapped out' or are we able to 'make a choice' about our next move within a set of scenarios?
If the latter is true, then we're still on a linear pathway of extended branches...
I would say choice is an illusion. In a cause and effect universe, how can we be exempt just because we happen to have a thinking brain? The book has been written, but we can't know what happens. You can 'choose' or select between door A and door B, but there was never a free choice to be made.
shootmeifipost10k
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Well, now you've repeated your stance I can take it that it's only based on YOUR reality! You offer only an opinion based on your own 'logic'.
But one would have ascertain what "see the future" means to an individual and not a blanket assumption you seem to lay out.
Here is the problem; is what we think about already 'mapped out' or are we able to 'make a choice' about our next move within a set of scenarios?
If the latter is true, then we're still on a linear pathway of extended branches...
If as planned I'm out saturday for a birthday night with some mates, the future as always on these night is mapped out that we'll probably drink a little too much,do some bad dancing and wake up the next day all feeling what we are in our 40s and not what we thought last night in our 20s.
Now if I change my mind at the last minute and don't go out do I also change all my mates mapped future and anyone else I might have met that night.
Bigga
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I really don't know what you're getting at mate. Let me say it again, since I think there's some confusion: I don't believe anyone can see or in any other way, predict the future. At all. I don't believe it. But I cannot prove it, and I fully accept that I may be wrong. It is just my belief that no-one can.
I've said exactly this 3 times now, but hopefully this makes it clear? I don't see anything wrong with me having this opinion. It's simply my opinion.
Yes and I explained that I understand your POV now as it's only your opinion.
If someone told me they've experienced seeing 'ghosts' I wouldn't dismiss them outright. Although it hasn't happened to me, I also know that people have different 'wavelengths' on this plane of existence, so can pick up things I won't. It's a bit like knowing 'something's wrong' and reacting to it and being right to do so. That's a 'feeling' people get every now and then.
For me, as I've spoken about it before, I have 'seen' small events years ahead of time that I've dismissed as a 'dream' only for it to work out EXACTLY as I've seen. Not a little bit, EXACTLY.
Nothing I've 'seen' has ever lasted more than 20 secs, but they still happen for me. Trouble is, I can't pin them down as they happen years before the 'event'. They're not life changing things, more 'indicators' of where I am.
And I can't distinguish them from 'dreams' unless I'm in it exactly.