Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

That's his fifth CL campaign, 3 of those with a team that won it as soon as they ditched him. All three managers of the teams we've played in the CL this season have looked better than him by a country mile.

We've been a bit unlucky in the groups we've had admittedly but the only time we've looked remotely convincing was at Villareal. If we'd managed to hang on to the lead in Madrid for 5 minutes then things might have turned out a lot different but there again we showed our tactical naivety by sitting far too deep and letting them come at us. Tonight was inexcusable.

The story is that the Sheikh wanted Mourinho at any cost this summer but Khaldoon stuck by his mate. That decision's not looking so clever just at the moment. I trust him in the league and with Ferguson and Wenger reaching the end of their tenures, I'm happy that he's our manager for the moment but we don't even look like we're moving forward in Europe, which is the real test of his and our abilities.

I used to pmsl at Liverpool fans who claimed that Benitez would do far better with the resources at Mancini's disposal but tonight I'm beginning to wonder if they're right.

 

[goshogun52]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

ha ha ha ha this thread is a joke.

Unfortunately not. There actually is some challenged people (fans?) who think that we should consider the future of a bloke who has always been in it for the long haul, after a dodgy result. They don't blame the 11 men on the pitch, just the one on the sidelines. A bloke who picked up the club as a mess from Hughes and turned us into Champions.

In case it was missed, the team we drew against beat Real Madrid tonight.

11 vs 11, football is unpredictable but we need to keep our eye on the big picture. I very much doubt our owners will be flapping like some of the posters in this thread.

they do blame the players as well
who said they don't?

 

[waspish]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Unfortunately it is true, he sucks in Europe. He would get fired lot sooner at Inter if he would fail in group stages. He reached the quarter finals 2-3 times but no more.

Here quarter final would be a dream after all these performances.
Will he get better? Dont think so.

It's not like he has to beat Real, Bayern, Barca to be succesful.
He has to beat Ajax, Napoli, Dortmund, Villarreal so far.
We could only beat Villarreal last year but do you know they were so shit last year that they got relegated from La Liga? That says a lot about them.

We played 4 matches against Ajax, Napoli, Dortmund and all he could get is 2 points at home, and the Dortmund match was a big fail, only saved by a late handball penalty after a Joe Hart special show.

The question is will the owners remain patient if he keeps getting domestic succes but fails big time in Europe.

Dont forget the difference between CL group and knock-out stages is 8-10 m pounds. Even is you finish in the first round of the knock-out ties. If you go 1-2 rounds it is 10-15 m more income. + more home games, more ticket income etc., being a real factor in CL provides greater chances for better sponsor deals.

So will the owners be OK with domestic success=winning the league but nothing in the CL?

And will there be any domestic success? It is not like Mancini's years at Inter where he won the league 3 ties in a row but their biggest rival was AS Roma.
Not really the level of Chelsea's or United's.
(Juventus was in Serie B, like Napoli, Milan was concentrating on CL).

I'd settle for 5 more premier titles and have Mancini for his full contract of five years then see where we are, the premier for me is what gives me the buzz and the ammo to whined up rags

 

[Dethred]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Brilliant. In fact what if we sign Mourinho and Guardiola and kept Mancini as well ?

We could have a sort of managerial rotation policy based on results.

Absolutely. Because that's how it works. Very insightful post.

Unfortunately for Mancini, and Fortunately for us fans, the owner expects more than apparently everyone in this thread. Clueless was sacked after a year and a half when we were mid table in the PL and before most of our current PL winning squad was assembled.

We're the equivalent of bottom of the table in the CL after buying some of the world's best players and assembling a starting XI worth more than Ajax and Dortmund's entire squads.... and the failures can be directly linked to decisions made by Mancini. Fortunately for everyone, I think our owner, Mubarak, and the rest of Mancini's bosses will be a bit more pragmatic than those insulting the starter of this thread.

 

[rastus]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Ha ha haaa haahaa ha haaaaa haa and haa ha...oooohhh stop me now its like weve been dominating world football for the past 10 decades....funny thread

 

[Blue Heaven]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I worry about Mancini. I do. I question the length of the leash our owners have given him regarding champions league football. That being one of their highest priorities for both prestige and revenue. Not getting out of the group stages two years in a row, especially if we continue to get results like this for the rest of this season in Europe could be disastrous for him. I don't know that it will be, but it's certainly putting himself in a much more precarious position then otherwise.

I love the guy personally and have loved what he's done in the premier league, but I question the patience of our owners and the need for champions league revenue regarding FFP. Perhaps demanding Mancini's head as the original poster did (I believe he did anyway it was 13 pages ago) isn't the way to go about it, but the discussion is certainly valid and someone is not an idiot or a rag for bringing it up.

Exactly, nice post and well put. End of the day, people who start with the abuse and calling people a rag for daring to question Mancini, well I do have to question the amount of brain cells flying round in their heads to be honest.

Yes, and I assure you that most of these "True Blue" types were saying the same things about Mark Hughes during his final part-season at City, and branding the anti-Hughes folk as "Rags" or "WUMs" or "[insert insult of choice]"...if one can't entertain multiple points of view and think critically about them, then one reflexively hurls insults at what one perceives to be the other side.

 

[Mancio]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

That's his fifth CL campaign, 3 of those with a team that won it as soon as they ditched him. All three managers of the teams we've played in the CL this season have looked better than him by a country mile.

We've been a bit unlucky in the groups we've had admittedly but the only time we've looked remotely convincing was at Villareal. If we'd managed to hang on to the lead in Madrid for 5 minutes then things might have turned out a lot different but there again we showed our tactical naivety by sitting far too deep and letting them come at us. Tonight was inexcusable.

The story is that the Sheikh wanted Mourinho at any cost this summer but Khaldoon stuck by his mate. That decision's not looking so clever just at the moment. I trust him in the league and with Ferguson and Wenger reaching the end of their tenures, I'm happy that he's our manager for the moment but we don't even look like we're moving forward in Europe, which is the real test of his and our abilities.

I used to pmsl at Liverpool fans who claimed that Benitez would do far better with the resources at Mancini's disposal but tonight I'm beginning to wonder if they're right.

i can confirm this. the Sheikh really was wanting mourinho , he told it to me too

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

this forum when we lose is a joke

 

[urmston]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mancini is OK by me.

He's won the cup and the league and his lack of success in the CL is quite normal for a club new to it, as we have seen with the Stretford outfit and Chelsea.

If Mancini had not won us the cup and the league but just got us into the top 4 and then got to the quarters or the semis of the CL I would not be a tenth as happy as I am now as a City fan.

 

[M19Blu]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

If Jose was a possibility in the near future then why was RM given a 5 year contract?